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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/segway-users-the-other-minority/comment-page-2/#comment-221051</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 06:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know a lot of the comments anger me.  I am 59 years old with extremely bad knees.  I will be getting knee replacements but will never be able to walk any great distances or enjoy just getting outside to enjoy museums, craft fairs and other venues.  This would be a God send to me.  I would be much more independent.  I have seen them operate and I KNOW they arent dangerous operated carefully around pedestrians. I&#039;ve seen pedestrians run into each other.  I&#039;ve also seen bicyclists run people off sidewalks.  This machine will go as slow as grandma walking or quite fast when the coast is clear.  Most of you are making lots of assumptions about the people who might be riding these things as well as the reasons they will be riding them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know a lot of the comments anger me.  I am 59 years old with extremely bad knees.  I will be getting knee replacements but will never be able to walk any great distances or enjoy just getting outside to enjoy museums, craft fairs and other venues.  This would be a God send to me.  I would be much more independent.  I have seen them operate and I KNOW they arent dangerous operated carefully around pedestrians. I&#8217;ve seen pedestrians run into each other.  I&#8217;ve also seen bicyclists run people off sidewalks.  This machine will go as slow as grandma walking or quite fast when the coast is clear.  Most of you are making lots of assumptions about the people who might be riding these things as well as the reasons they will be riding them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Gleich</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/segway-users-the-other-minority/comment-page-2/#comment-106121</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Gleich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see this conversation is still going strong!
I was just featured in the NY daily news

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/08/18/2009-08-18_segway_driver_keeps_motoring.html

And absolutely agree with GlideGurl, I have no problem being
regulated, trained, certified, insured. 

Name one Biker who is insured or even accountable for their actions.

I hope one day, people will just view the segway as another means of
transport, and that we all can.. just.. Get along

:)

jonathan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this conversation is still going strong!<br />
I was just featured in the NY daily news</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/08/18/2009-08-18_segway_driver_keeps_motoring.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/08/18/2009-08-18_segway_driver_keeps_motoring.html</a></p>
<p>And absolutely agree with GlideGurl, I have no problem being<br />
regulated, trained, certified, insured. </p>
<p>Name one Biker who is insured or even accountable for their actions.</p>
<p>I hope one day, people will just view the segway as another means of<br />
transport, and that we all can.. just.. Get along</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>jonathan</p>
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		<title>By: GlideGurl</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/segway-users-the-other-minority/comment-page-2/#comment-64926</link>
		<dc:creator>GlideGurl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another thing...

I own/have owned...

Rollerblades

Landrollers

Xootr scooters (kick and electric)

Bike

Segway

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Rollerblades/Landrollers 
Ease: Difficult to balance, stop and turn.
Danger to pedestrians: Moderate bec</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another thing&#8230;</p>
<p>I own/have owned&#8230;</p>
<p>Rollerblades</p>
<p>Landrollers</p>
<p>Xootr scooters (kick and electric)</p>
<p>Bike</p>
<p>Segway</p>
<p>&#8212;<br />
Rollerblades/Landrollers<br />
Ease: Difficult to balance, stop and turn.<br />
Danger to pedestrians: Moderate bec</p>
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		<title>By: GlideGurl</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/segway-users-the-other-minority/comment-page-2/#comment-64925</link>
		<dc:creator>GlideGurl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 02:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think darth (#66) is on to something with &quot;Segway envy.&quot; Here&#039;s an analogy based on early reactions to the iPhone and early adapters. 

People who were very interested in (read: envied) the iPhone but could not have one (contractual obligations, etc.) berated the phone for its lack of features, network carrier, early bugs, limited memory (although it had more memory than any other cell phone) and PRICE. &quot;What idiot pays $600 for a phone??!!&quot; They considered early adapters blind followers. Fast forward to 2008. The iPhone&#039;s price dropped, and lines to get one lasted for weeks! Those who still &#039;hate on&#039; the iPhone probably have a copycat of it.

In that context, imagine the price of the Segway dropping dramatically, putting it in REACH for more people. Think about it.

More people would try this stupid thing. &quot;Let me seee. Hmm, wow. I could use this to x,y and z!&quot;  

I can only speak for myself to defend Segway gliding in NYC. I favor riding in the street, on sidewalks and bike lanes. I glide extremely slow on sidewalks, and only when the street becomes dangerous. 

To common angst:

1. WALK: I do. I have walked as a resident of NYC since 1995.

2. EXERCISE: I do that too. 5X a week - you?

3. BIKE: Sold it. The super fast bikers and traffic zooming by scared me, and I didn&#039;t have much control on my bike. I am short, so I can easily get run over in the street on a small bike. On my Segway, I am further above ground, easily visible. 

4: $5,000 Toy: No, a $5,000 mode of transportation that doesn&#039;t require gas, vehicle maintenance, nor $200/month garage parking. It saves on cab fare also. There&#039;s nothing like jumping into a cab only to turn the corner and run right into stopped traffic, then spending 2x the fare to get to your destination.

THINK

Has anyone considered the sweat factor? I like to work out, just not on the way to work. 

Summary: Those who complain with more venom than reason cannot see themselves on it, so therefore Segways and their owners, like early iPhones and early adapters, are &quot;stupid, lazy, [fill in the blanks].&quot; They tout their superiority as bikers, yet they complain as if they have inferiority complexes, complaining mainly about the price as if that&#039;s a problem for them so it should be for everyone. 

How abot working together? 

My Suggestions:

A: Segway regulation in NYC - compromise

B: Mandatory training which results in a license or certificate

C: Mandatory insurance (protects pedestrians)

D: Segway-free zones as seen fit (debate and decide)

E: Zones FOR Segway use as seen fit (debate and decide)

F: Regulated speeds for different areas like hwy/st speeds for vehicles

Otherwise, I will continue as will others gliding as WE see fit.

In this battle, compromise works better than 100% resistance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think darth (#66) is on to something with &#8220;Segway envy.&#8221; Here&#8217;s an analogy based on early reactions to the iPhone and early adapters. </p>
<p>People who were very interested in (read: envied) the iPhone but could not have one (contractual obligations, etc.) berated the phone for its lack of features, network carrier, early bugs, limited memory (although it had more memory than any other cell phone) and PRICE. &#8220;What idiot pays $600 for a phone??!!&#8221; They considered early adapters blind followers. Fast forward to 2008. The iPhone&#8217;s price dropped, and lines to get one lasted for weeks! Those who still &#8216;hate on&#8217; the iPhone probably have a copycat of it.</p>
<p>In that context, imagine the price of the Segway dropping dramatically, putting it in REACH for more people. Think about it.</p>
<p>More people would try this stupid thing. &#8220;Let me seee. Hmm, wow. I could use this to x,y and z!&#8221;  </p>
<p>I can only speak for myself to defend Segway gliding in NYC. I favor riding in the street, on sidewalks and bike lanes. I glide extremely slow on sidewalks, and only when the street becomes dangerous. </p>
<p>To common angst:</p>
<p>1. WALK: I do. I have walked as a resident of NYC since 1995.</p>
<p>2. EXERCISE: I do that too. 5X a week &#8211; you?</p>
<p>3. BIKE: Sold it. The super fast bikers and traffic zooming by scared me, and I didn&#8217;t have much control on my bike. I am short, so I can easily get run over in the street on a small bike. On my Segway, I am further above ground, easily visible. </p>
<p>4: $5,000 Toy: No, a $5,000 mode of transportation that doesn&#8217;t require gas, vehicle maintenance, nor $200/month garage parking. It saves on cab fare also. There&#8217;s nothing like jumping into a cab only to turn the corner and run right into stopped traffic, then spending 2x the fare to get to your destination.</p>
<p>THINK</p>
<p>Has anyone considered the sweat factor? I like to work out, just not on the way to work. </p>
<p>Summary: Those who complain with more venom than reason cannot see themselves on it, so therefore Segways and their owners, like early iPhones and early adapters, are &#8220;stupid, lazy, [fill in the blanks].&#8221; They tout their superiority as bikers, yet they complain as if they have inferiority complexes, complaining mainly about the price as if that&#8217;s a problem for them so it should be for everyone. </p>
<p>How abot working together? </p>
<p>My Suggestions:</p>
<p>A: Segway regulation in NYC &#8211; compromise</p>
<p>B: Mandatory training which results in a license or certificate</p>
<p>C: Mandatory insurance (protects pedestrians)</p>
<p>D: Segway-free zones as seen fit (debate and decide)</p>
<p>E: Zones FOR Segway use as seen fit (debate and decide)</p>
<p>F: Regulated speeds for different areas like hwy/st speeds for vehicles</p>
<p>Otherwise, I will continue as will others gliding as WE see fit.</p>
<p>In this battle, compromise works better than 100% resistance.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/segway-users-the-other-minority/comment-page-2/#comment-53105</link>
		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>. . . wranglers (not rustlers)</description>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/segway-users-the-other-minority/comment-page-2/#comment-53104</link>
		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have to realize if the city buys these things in bulk at $3000 each then 150 of them would be less than the cost of a city bus.  

Fifteen (15) of them would be comparable to a bus drivers annual salary.

Of course, there&#039;d have to be Segway rustlers to make sure the machines are distributed to where they&#039;re needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to realize if the city buys these things in bulk at $3000 each then 150 of them would be less than the cost of a city bus.  </p>
<p>Fifteen (15) of them would be comparable to a bus drivers annual salary.</p>
<p>Of course, there&#8217;d have to be Segway rustlers to make sure the machines are distributed to where they&#8217;re needed.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be wild to see lots of people using Segways with city government encouraging their use like bicycles such as a large number available from downtown Brooklyn to Red Hook and Carroll Gardens by way of Court Street and Van Brunt.  

It wasn&#039;t a dream when I saw three cops (with capes!) on Segways racing down the bike path in Prospect Park and, blowing past on my inlines yelled that they looked like the three Musketeers; and, the big smiles on their faces!

They are definitely scaled right to moving lots of people around this city quickly and efficiently and it seems to have been announced that a new hands-free one is coming kind of like surfing or skate boarding but a lot easier and lighter than the original uprights.

A large presence on the street would encourage and accelerate a very resilient diversity of accepted and effective ways to travel this town.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be wild to see lots of people using Segways with city government encouraging their use like bicycles such as a large number available from downtown Brooklyn to Red Hook and Carroll Gardens by way of Court Street and Van Brunt.  </p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t a dream when I saw three cops (with capes!) on Segways racing down the bike path in Prospect Park and, blowing past on my inlines yelled that they looked like the three Musketeers; and, the big smiles on their faces!</p>
<p>They are definitely scaled right to moving lots of people around this city quickly and efficiently and it seems to have been announced that a new hands-free one is coming kind of like surfing or skate boarding but a lot easier and lighter than the original uprights.</p>
<p>A large presence on the street would encourage and accelerate a very resilient diversity of accepted and effective ways to travel this town.</p>
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		<title>By: Gliding</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/segway-users-the-other-minority/comment-page-2/#comment-53102</link>
		<dc:creator>Gliding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 22:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it seems if nothing there are two sides to every story! I not only use but enjoy my Segway everyday. I use the side walk like any other Human Transport would. Yes that is what a Segway is classified as. The same as a Wheel Chair. So if the issue is Speed then hey let me &quot;sup-up&quot; a few wheel chairs, and then will the complaint be wheel chairs go to fast or weigh to much?

It sounds more like the first opposition is cost of $5000. Sorry new technology does cost money! Should we all ditch our HD TV&#039;s also because they cost $3000? Second is Speed a Segway can be controlled to travel walking speed 3.5 miles an hour or commuter speed at 12 miles an hour. Third is access why is everyone entitled to their own space? So in that case we need a walking lane, a jogging, lane, a standing lane, a segway lane, a wheel chair lane, a cane walking lane, a speed walking lane, a bike lane, a scooter lane. What the true face is we had to provide a road for cars, a track for the train, a lane for bikes come on? The sidewalk is for Humans traveling. 

The funniest thing is I was traveling along Surface Road on the sidewalk the other day at 12 miles an hour and a guy on a bike blew by me like I was standing still.

I use the my Segway for both leisure and commuting into Boston, and yes I use the Train, and the T. I travel in from Tewksbury Ma.

So I guess in closing I&#039;ll continue segwaying, and everyone else can just complain or rather complain about complaining! Since neither this Blog or anything in it will change Legislation.
 
Oh looking back I forgot to mention, I happy, healthy, and enjoying commuting unlike you complaining, walking, driving or angry people! Just move on and take up world peace or something, anything find a hobby! I&#039;m not really mad at anyone or upset that they want to voice their opinion just try not to show so much hate!

The toughest thing in America is to stand idle by while one person rips down or apart the one thing you have advocated your entire life. Free Speech is a freedom no one can take lightly. The difference is we all should have responsible access to public ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it seems if nothing there are two sides to every story! I not only use but enjoy my Segway everyday. I use the side walk like any other Human Transport would. Yes that is what a Segway is classified as. The same as a Wheel Chair. So if the issue is Speed then hey let me &#8220;sup-up&#8221; a few wheel chairs, and then will the complaint be wheel chairs go to fast or weigh to much?</p>
<p>It sounds more like the first opposition is cost of $5000. Sorry new technology does cost money! Should we all ditch our HD TV&#8217;s also because they cost $3000? Second is Speed a Segway can be controlled to travel walking speed 3.5 miles an hour or commuter speed at 12 miles an hour. Third is access why is everyone entitled to their own space? So in that case we need a walking lane, a jogging, lane, a standing lane, a segway lane, a wheel chair lane, a cane walking lane, a speed walking lane, a bike lane, a scooter lane. What the true face is we had to provide a road for cars, a track for the train, a lane for bikes come on? The sidewalk is for Humans traveling. </p>
<p>The funniest thing is I was traveling along Surface Road on the sidewalk the other day at 12 miles an hour and a guy on a bike blew by me like I was standing still.</p>
<p>I use the my Segway for both leisure and commuting into Boston, and yes I use the Train, and the T. I travel in from Tewksbury Ma.</p>
<p>So I guess in closing I&#8217;ll continue segwaying, and everyone else can just complain or rather complain about complaining! Since neither this Blog or anything in it will change Legislation.</p>
<p>Oh looking back I forgot to mention, I happy, healthy, and enjoying commuting unlike you complaining, walking, driving or angry people! Just move on and take up world peace or something, anything find a hobby! I&#8217;m not really mad at anyone or upset that they want to voice their opinion just try not to show so much hate!</p>
<p>The toughest thing in America is to stand idle by while one person rips down or apart the one thing you have advocated your entire life. Free Speech is a freedom no one can take lightly. The difference is we all should have responsible access to public ways.</p>
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		<title>By: darth</title>
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		<dc:creator>darth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of the negative Segway comments seem to contain some reference to the price...IE: $5,000 for a toy...or personal attacks like too lazy to walk or ride.

How many people posting comments here have ever used a Segway?  People can tend to mock what they don&#039;t understand.

Could there be an epidemic of Segway envy lurking out there with the posters on this blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the negative Segway comments seem to contain some reference to the price&#8230;IE: $5,000 for a toy&#8230;or personal attacks like too lazy to walk or ride.</p>
<p>How many people posting comments here have ever used a Segway?  People can tend to mock what they don&#8217;t understand.</p>
<p>Could there be an epidemic of Segway envy lurking out there with the posters on this blog?</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 12:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being human scale providing transport that is distributed and on-demand -- they can even be stored in apartments in buildings with elevators and make great coat racks -– with the possibility of serving as a precursor for advanced transit architectures, Segways are definitely a step in the right direction and should be embraced; the market should be able to decide, but the playing field is not fair.

The focus should be to eliminate the unfair and destructive, wasteful local monopolies that cars, trucks, buses, and maybe even subway trains have in this city which is currently not only encouraged by local legal, resource allocation, and legislation, but much more aggressively by the high level of brute-force danger and real threat automobiles cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being human scale providing transport that is distributed and on-demand &#8212; they can even be stored in apartments in buildings with elevators and make great coat racks -– with the possibility of serving as a precursor for advanced transit architectures, Segways are definitely a step in the right direction and should be embraced; the market should be able to decide, but the playing field is not fair.</p>
<p>The focus should be to eliminate the unfair and destructive, wasteful local monopolies that cars, trucks, buses, and maybe even subway trains have in this city which is currently not only encouraged by local legal, resource allocation, and legislation, but much more aggressively by the high level of brute-force danger and real threat automobiles cause.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/segway-users-the-other-minority/comment-page-2/#comment-35357</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 01:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Segways in the bikelane are fine - even though they&#039;re motorized, they can&#039;t really keep up with car traffic, so they probably don&#039;t belong in there, but in the bikelane they should be fine.  I would not want them on the sidewalk - when a person is in a hurry you can&#039;t count on them to maintain a safe speed.

As a cyclist, I don&#039;t hate Segways, and I do appreciate the technology.  I&#039;ve never ridden one, but I&#039;m sure they&#039;re fun.  The thing is, I can only be so impressed by something that can&#039;t go as fast as my bike, has a shorter range, must be recharged, offers no direct health benefit to the user, can&#039;t be fixed with simple tools, and costs 10 times what a decent bicycle costs.  It&#039;s new technology that, for the most part, doesn&#039;t beat the old technology.

Regarding conflicts between Segways and bikes - some people are just jerks.  But also, I would guess that most Segway riders are used to driving.  They&#039;re not used to being unprotected in traffic, and are a little scared by how crowded it can be, how close the cars and bikes get, and how aggressively most people behave during their commute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Segways in the bikelane are fine &#8211; even though they&#8217;re motorized, they can&#8217;t really keep up with car traffic, so they probably don&#8217;t belong in there, but in the bikelane they should be fine.  I would not want them on the sidewalk &#8211; when a person is in a hurry you can&#8217;t count on them to maintain a safe speed.</p>
<p>As a cyclist, I don&#8217;t hate Segways, and I do appreciate the technology.  I&#8217;ve never ridden one, but I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;re fun.  The thing is, I can only be so impressed by something that can&#8217;t go as fast as my bike, has a shorter range, must be recharged, offers no direct health benefit to the user, can&#8217;t be fixed with simple tools, and costs 10 times what a decent bicycle costs.  It&#8217;s new technology that, for the most part, doesn&#8217;t beat the old technology.</p>
<p>Regarding conflicts between Segways and bikes &#8211; some people are just jerks.  But also, I would guess that most Segway riders are used to driving.  They&#8217;re not used to being unprotected in traffic, and are a little scared by how crowded it can be, how close the cars and bikes get, and how aggressively most people behave during their commute.</p>
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		<title>By: ruathinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruathinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 21:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New personal mobility devices are being developed by an innovative and entrepreneurial marketplace. Accomodating these new transportation options within the public right-of-way requires users to keep an open mind about solutions.  If there is a concern about excessive speeds, then establish speed limits. If there is a concern about space conflicts, then increase the width of the travel way for these new modes by narrowing the width of the road lanes. New mobility technologies will not go away. As a result, successful adaptation require us all to remain open to new ways of designing and managing our public spaces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New personal mobility devices are being developed by an innovative and entrepreneurial marketplace. Accomodating these new transportation options within the public right-of-way requires users to keep an open mind about solutions.  If there is a concern about excessive speeds, then establish speed limits. If there is a concern about space conflicts, then increase the width of the travel way for these new modes by narrowing the width of the road lanes. New mobility technologies will not go away. As a result, successful adaptation require us all to remain open to new ways of designing and managing our public spaces.</p>
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		<title>By: Neven Rakoni?</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/segway-users-the-other-minority/comment-page-2/#comment-35319</link>
		<dc:creator>Neven Rakoni?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you think segway is that great, why don&#039;t you use electric wheelchair for transport. I mean that way you don&#039;t have to stand.

This is of course reffering to all the healthy people using segways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you think segway is that great, why don&#8217;t you use electric wheelchair for transport. I mean that way you don&#8217;t have to stand.</p>
<p>This is of course reffering to all the healthy people using segways.</p>
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		<title>By: Sproule Love</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/segway-users-the-other-minority/comment-page-2/#comment-33526</link>
		<dc:creator>Sproule Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 18:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;incredibly stupid subject&quot;
&quot;is your life that pathetic&quot;
&quot;idiots&quot;

Who&#039;s doing the hating, cochon? Have anything intelligent to add the conversation? You took the time to read all these posts..how about contributing something worthwhile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;incredibly stupid subject&#8221;<br />
&#8220;is your life that pathetic&#8221;<br />
&#8220;idiots&#8221;</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s doing the hating, cochon? Have anything intelligent to add the conversation? You took the time to read all these posts..how about contributing something worthwhile.</p>
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		<title>By: cochon</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/segway-users-the-other-minority/comment-page-2/#comment-33485</link>
		<dc:creator>cochon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, they look ridiculous. and yes, the perfectly healthy person that bought the contraption spent an arm and a leg for it and looks foolish, but so what. why do you care so much about this incredibly stupid subject? seriously. is your life that pathetic that you have to muster up such anger for these people? save it for the automobiles and their owners. let these people ride in the bike lanes for crying out loud and don&#039;t hate.

this is a perfect example of why the left never wins. incessant infighting over things so utterly trivial. go beyond the semantics of signage and learn to share for the first time in your life, idiots.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, they look ridiculous. and yes, the perfectly healthy person that bought the contraption spent an arm and a leg for it and looks foolish, but so what. why do you care so much about this incredibly stupid subject? seriously. is your life that pathetic that you have to muster up such anger for these people? save it for the automobiles and their owners. let these people ride in the bike lanes for crying out loud and don&#8217;t hate.</p>
<p>this is a perfect example of why the left never wins. incessant infighting over things so utterly trivial. go beyond the semantics of signage and learn to share for the first time in your life, idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: Sproule Love</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/segway-users-the-other-minority/comment-page-2/#comment-33479</link>
		<dc:creator>Sproule Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 21:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit that I share some of the disdain expressed here for Segway owners. Yes, I ride bikes, and no, I don&#039;t hate dorks. I wouldn&#039;t put too much stock into what the &quot;young, athletic, male Brooklyn biker crowd&quot; thinks, Hilary, since this group strikes a  shining example of natural selection as they speed their moustaches and brakeless fixed gears into oblivion.

What&#039;s the difference between a $5,000 Segway and a $5,000 trophy bike? At least you have to put some effort into the bike to go anywhere. I doubt many Segway owners have &quot;limited mobility,&quot; but that&#039;s just my biased assumption. Let&#039;s face it, these are a novelty purchase for people who have a lot of (and I use this phrase as literally as possible) disposable income and they are not going to become a significant group of street users. 

I am deeply disturbed that the NYPD is spending our tax dollars on these toys. Commissioner Kelly would better serve us and the health and well-being of his staff by putting them on $500 NYPD bicycles instead.

All that said, one simply cannot argue with the reasoning that a Segway is far better than a car. So, begrudgingly, I have to welcome Segway owners into our motley alternative transportation coalition. As far as where they belong, I&#039;m with JF...Segways are for streets.

Well, Mr. Marshall is nothing if not controversial and it doesn&#039;t take much chum to roil these waters. I hope for his kids&#039; sake that by now he&#039;s bought them modern bike helmets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit that I share some of the disdain expressed here for Segway owners. Yes, I ride bikes, and no, I don&#8217;t hate dorks. I wouldn&#8217;t put too much stock into what the &#8220;young, athletic, male Brooklyn biker crowd&#8221; thinks, Hilary, since this group strikes a  shining example of natural selection as they speed their moustaches and brakeless fixed gears into oblivion.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the difference between a $5,000 Segway and a $5,000 trophy bike? At least you have to put some effort into the bike to go anywhere. I doubt many Segway owners have &#8220;limited mobility,&#8221; but that&#8217;s just my biased assumption. Let&#8217;s face it, these are a novelty purchase for people who have a lot of (and I use this phrase as literally as possible) disposable income and they are not going to become a significant group of street users. </p>
<p>I am deeply disturbed that the NYPD is spending our tax dollars on these toys. Commissioner Kelly would better serve us and the health and well-being of his staff by putting them on $500 NYPD bicycles instead.</p>
<p>All that said, one simply cannot argue with the reasoning that a Segway is far better than a car. So, begrudgingly, I have to welcome Segway owners into our motley alternative transportation coalition. As far as where they belong, I&#8217;m with JF&#8230;Segways are for streets.</p>
<p>Well, Mr. Marshall is nothing if not controversial and it doesn&#8217;t take much chum to roil these waters. I hope for his kids&#8217; sake that by now he&#8217;s bought them modern bike helmets.</p>
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		<title>By: LarsBogart</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/segway-users-the-other-minority/comment-page-2/#comment-33370</link>
		<dc:creator>LarsBogart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 17:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a Segway owner who rides it daily to work (12.8 mile roundtrip) in Phoenix, I cannot comment as to the NYC sidewalk situation.

I can say that as a rider in Phoenix AZ and Tempe AZ, I have had not major problems riding on the sidewalks.  It&#039;s legal here to ride on the sidewalks.

Segways can easily mingle in with moderate-sized sidewalk congestion.

When it&#039;s butt-to-belly button like NYC sidewalks, however, I&#039;m not sure Segways would fit so well into the flow of foot traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Segway owner who rides it daily to work (12.8 mile roundtrip) in Phoenix, I cannot comment as to the NYC sidewalk situation.</p>
<p>I can say that as a rider in Phoenix AZ and Tempe AZ, I have had not major problems riding on the sidewalks.  It&#8217;s legal here to ride on the sidewalks.</p>
<p>Segways can easily mingle in with moderate-sized sidewalk congestion.</p>
<p>When it&#8217;s butt-to-belly button like NYC sidewalks, however, I&#8217;m not sure Segways would fit so well into the flow of foot traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: Gizler</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/segway-users-the-other-minority/comment-page-2/#comment-33360</link>
		<dc:creator>Gizler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 15:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JF, exactly, good response to Sandy the Segway salesman.

And Hilary, I&#039;m not making a choice for disabled people, I&#039;m speculating that your argument about how much Segways will benefit them has a big logical hole in it that you seem unable to patch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JF, exactly, good response to Sandy the Segway salesman.</p>
<p>And Hilary, I&#8217;m not making a choice for disabled people, I&#8217;m speculating that your argument about how much Segways will benefit them has a big logical hole in it that you seem unable to patch.</p>
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		<title>By: JF</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/segway-users-the-other-minority/comment-page-2/#comment-33339</link>
		<dc:creator>JF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 04:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not so much about riding them as it is sharing a sidewalk with them, right?  They weigh 65-100 pounds, and it&#039;s too easy to go fast.  I don&#039;t want them on my sidewalk, just like I don&#039;t want bicycles, roller skates, skateboards or scooters on the sidewalk.

I think they belong on the streets, and if Segway users don&#039;t feel the streets are safe enough for them, well, now they know how cyclists and street skaters feel, and I hope they&#039;ll join us instead of using Kamen&#039;s power to carve their own loopholes in the traffic laws.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not so much about riding them as it is sharing a sidewalk with them, right?  They weigh 65-100 pounds, and it&#8217;s too easy to go fast.  I don&#8217;t want them on my sidewalk, just like I don&#8217;t want bicycles, roller skates, skateboards or scooters on the sidewalk.</p>
<p>I think they belong on the streets, and if Segway users don&#8217;t feel the streets are safe enough for them, well, now they know how cyclists and street skaters feel, and I hope they&#8217;ll join us instead of using Kamen&#8217;s power to carve their own loopholes in the traffic laws.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/27/segway-users-the-other-minority/comment-page-2/#comment-33332</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 02:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d wager a bet that everyone who&#039;s commented negatively here about the Segway has never ridden one.  If you did, you&#039;d see how safe, reliable, and pedestrian friendly they are, perfectly adaptable to sidewalk use. I don&#039;t understand how so many people can profess how unsafe they are when they really don&#039;t know anything firsthand about &#039;em. Segways are wonderful technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d wager a bet that everyone who&#8217;s commented negatively here about the Segway has never ridden one.  If you did, you&#8217;d see how safe, reliable, and pedestrian friendly they are, perfectly adaptable to sidewalk use. I don&#8217;t understand how so many people can profess how unsafe they are when they really don&#8217;t know anything firsthand about &#8216;em. Segways are wonderful technology.</p>
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