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	<title>Comments on: Parks Dept: Central Park Cyclists Must Stop at Traffic Signals</title>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/12/parks-dept-central-park-cyclists-must-stop-at-traffic-signals/comment-page-2/#comment-37139</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Word to the wise: this morning&#039;s CP Loop bicylist checkpoint was located just outside Sheep Meadow.</description>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW,  Saw three racoons at the north side of Central Park last night.  Had to yell at one to stop it from running in front of me.  Worse than a kid on a Razor skooter.  Maybe there should be racoon crossings and show them how to use them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW,  Saw three racoons at the north side of Central Park last night.  Had to yell at one to stop it from running in front of me.  Worse than a kid on a Razor skooter.  Maybe there should be racoon crossings and show them how to use them.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pedestrians should be encouraged to swing across the road on vines.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To proponets of removing traffic signals from the CP loop:  There is one busy intersection  on the loop with a crosswalk but no traffic signal--between 85th and 81st on the West Side.  Someone with the time and equipment (DoT?  Streetfilms?) could do a 1 hour study of the interaction between pedestrians and bicyclists comparing that intersection and the one following (which has a traffic signal) on a busy summer weekend.  The results might show whether the signals make any difference in how people behave and whether there is a safety advantage to either approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To proponets of removing traffic signals from the CP loop:  There is one busy intersection  on the loop with a crosswalk but no traffic signal&#8211;between 85th and 81st on the West Side.  Someone with the time and equipment (DoT?  Streetfilms?) could do a 1 hour study of the interaction between pedestrians and bicyclists comparing that intersection and the one following (which has a traffic signal) on a busy summer weekend.  The results might show whether the signals make any difference in how people behave and whether there is a safety advantage to either approach.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens the other 10% of the time?</description>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 02:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
I walk in Central Park everyday. I continually notice bikers not observing
red lights. In fact,I have never actually seen a biker stop at a Red light even with several pedestrians crossing. I can&#039;t tell you how many near misses I&#039;ve seen,and sadly I&#039;ve also observed a few accidents. Bikers need to SLOW DOWN and STOP at RED LIGHTS! I only hope someone won&#039;t have to lose there life before real action is taken.
Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I walk in Central Park everyday. I continually notice bikers not observing<br />
red lights. In fact,I have never actually seen a biker stop at a Red light even with several pedestrians crossing. I can&#8217;t tell you how many near misses I&#8217;ve seen,and sadly I&#8217;ve also observed a few accidents. Bikers need to SLOW DOWN and STOP at RED LIGHTS! I only hope someone won&#8217;t have to lose there life before real action is taken.<br />
Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Sintesi</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/12/parks-dept-central-park-cyclists-must-stop-at-traffic-signals/comment-page-2/#comment-33359</link>
		<dc:creator>Sintesi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 14:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a cycling patron of the park for over 15 years, at least 3 times a week weather permitting, I guess I&#039;ve seen it all by now. I don&#039;t think it&#039;s productive to divide folks up into &quot;cyclist&quot; &quot;pedestrian&quot; and &quot;car&quot; tribes and then cite the near endless (and justified I&#039;m sure) list of transgressions from each sect.

Frankly if there should be any dividing and defining of groups it should be between the &quot;thoughtful and courteous&quot; and the &quot;rude and careless&quot; regardless of transportation modes.

If the city wants to promote safety and not engender resentment from the 2 and 4 wheeled variety of park users traffic enforcement should be comprehensive and crack down on all transgressors period. Time and time again these sporadic and completely ineffective threats of action come from the cops. Honestly, how many ticket blitzes have we been thru? Does anyone think CP traffic safety has greatly improved as a result? Repaving the roads and limiting car hours have done far more to this end, not to mention increase park enjoyment, than any stupid ticket threat.

Personally if I see another person push a baby carriage onto a Central Park roadway w/ out so much of a glance in either direction I&#039;m going to scream. There&#039;s a nice place to start ticketing jaywalkers - appalling parents risking children&#039;s lives needlessly. 

And yes those chucklheads that think they can treat the south end of the park as their personal racetrack  and find it a wonderful thrill to weave and dodge amongst the tourists need to be targeted. Or how about that lone kook that insists on riding down the middle of the road opposite the flow of traffic like noting mattered except him? I got no problem w/ pulling these people over and handing them a nice fat fine.

Who needs a kick in the pants as well are those utterly rude and inconsiderate pedicabs drivers who ride 3 abreast, make sudden stops and turns on either side of the road and generally disregard the safety and enjoyment of others. They as a commercial enterprise should above all be held to a higher standard of conduct than the average citizen merely out enjoying the sunshine. If it keeps up could someone please revoke their operator privileges? We don&#039;t have these problems w/ the horse cabs do we?

And finally the cars. How many cyclist have been dangerously buzzed by cars or startled out of your wits by a rude honk from a driver whose bumper menacingly sits a few feet from your back tire? (Every cyclist in the city knows this tactic - am I right? raise your hands) This happens because you&#039;ve strayed outside the bike lane by a foot or two. Never mind the fact that the multi-use running and cycling lanes are jam packed w/, pedestrians joggers and cyclists traveling in every direction (don&#039;t get me started on why this is). Also never mind the fact that 8 times out of 10 the driver has a clear unobstructed choice of lanes. They just want to be hostile that&#039;s all.

Do you know how easy it is to enforce the law?  How easy it is to spot the problem people from each group? VERY EASY!  I could right 3 or 4 tickets a lap if Mayor Bloomberg wants to deputize me. 

The cops are lazy and these &quot;ticket blitzes&quot; are patentedly unfair and ineffective. All the police needs is a couple undercover roadie cyclists or rollerbladers and they could solve all their park safety issues in a few weeks.

I can&#039;t believe the utter mendacity of cop representatives like Kevin Jeffrey when arguing that they are interested in promoting safety in the parks.  It&#039;s a pretty simple fix guys.

PS - I&#039;m one of those road guys w/ the spandex and the helmet and the speed. I&#039;ve logged thousands and thousands of miles in Central Park alone and never had a crack up w/ anyone or anything. It&#039;s not a problem for all of us to get enjoyment out of Central Park if you&#039;re just thoughtful and considerate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a cycling patron of the park for over 15 years, at least 3 times a week weather permitting, I guess I&#8217;ve seen it all by now. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s productive to divide folks up into &#8220;cyclist&#8221; &#8220;pedestrian&#8221; and &#8220;car&#8221; tribes and then cite the near endless (and justified I&#8217;m sure) list of transgressions from each sect.</p>
<p>Frankly if there should be any dividing and defining of groups it should be between the &#8220;thoughtful and courteous&#8221; and the &#8220;rude and careless&#8221; regardless of transportation modes.</p>
<p>If the city wants to promote safety and not engender resentment from the 2 and 4 wheeled variety of park users traffic enforcement should be comprehensive and crack down on all transgressors period. Time and time again these sporadic and completely ineffective threats of action come from the cops. Honestly, how many ticket blitzes have we been thru? Does anyone think CP traffic safety has greatly improved as a result? Repaving the roads and limiting car hours have done far more to this end, not to mention increase park enjoyment, than any stupid ticket threat.</p>
<p>Personally if I see another person push a baby carriage onto a Central Park roadway w/ out so much of a glance in either direction I&#8217;m going to scream. There&#8217;s a nice place to start ticketing jaywalkers &#8211; appalling parents risking children&#8217;s lives needlessly. </p>
<p>And yes those chucklheads that think they can treat the south end of the park as their personal racetrack  and find it a wonderful thrill to weave and dodge amongst the tourists need to be targeted. Or how about that lone kook that insists on riding down the middle of the road opposite the flow of traffic like noting mattered except him? I got no problem w/ pulling these people over and handing them a nice fat fine.</p>
<p>Who needs a kick in the pants as well are those utterly rude and inconsiderate pedicabs drivers who ride 3 abreast, make sudden stops and turns on either side of the road and generally disregard the safety and enjoyment of others. They as a commercial enterprise should above all be held to a higher standard of conduct than the average citizen merely out enjoying the sunshine. If it keeps up could someone please revoke their operator privileges? We don&#8217;t have these problems w/ the horse cabs do we?</p>
<p>And finally the cars. How many cyclist have been dangerously buzzed by cars or startled out of your wits by a rude honk from a driver whose bumper menacingly sits a few feet from your back tire? (Every cyclist in the city knows this tactic &#8211; am I right? raise your hands) This happens because you&#8217;ve strayed outside the bike lane by a foot or two. Never mind the fact that the multi-use running and cycling lanes are jam packed w/, pedestrians joggers and cyclists traveling in every direction (don&#8217;t get me started on why this is). Also never mind the fact that 8 times out of 10 the driver has a clear unobstructed choice of lanes. They just want to be hostile that&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>Do you know how easy it is to enforce the law?  How easy it is to spot the problem people from each group? VERY EASY!  I could right 3 or 4 tickets a lap if Mayor Bloomberg wants to deputize me. </p>
<p>The cops are lazy and these &#8220;ticket blitzes&#8221; are patentedly unfair and ineffective. All the police needs is a couple undercover roadie cyclists or rollerbladers and they could solve all their park safety issues in a few weeks.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe the utter mendacity of cop representatives like Kevin Jeffrey when arguing that they are interested in promoting safety in the parks.  It&#8217;s a pretty simple fix guys.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; I&#8217;m one of those road guys w/ the spandex and the helmet and the speed. I&#8217;ve logged thousands and thousands of miles in Central Park alone and never had a crack up w/ anyone or anything. It&#8217;s not a problem for all of us to get enjoyment out of Central Park if you&#8217;re just thoughtful and considerate.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jul 2007 03:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly, Krankenstein.  The issue is that with a car, it&#039;s very easy for a rude or careless person to maim or kill someone.  It&#039;s a lot harder with a bike or a dog.  Not impossible, but a lot harder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly, Krankenstein.  The issue is that with a car, it&#8217;s very easy for a rude or careless person to maim or kill someone.  It&#8217;s a lot harder with a bike or a dog.  Not impossible, but a lot harder.</p>
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		<title>By: Krankenstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Krankenstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 23:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
  &lt;p&gt;Yes, Caroline, some people who ride bikes are sometimes rude and careless. So are some people who don&#039;t ride bikes. So are some people who drive cars. So are some people who walk dogs in Central Park. &lt;/p&gt;
  &lt;p&gt;Is this really the issue? &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Caroline, some people who ride bikes are sometimes rude and careless. So are some people who don&#8217;t ride bikes. So are some people who drive cars. So are some people who walk dogs in Central Park. </p>
<p>Is this really the issue? </p>
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		<title>By: Caroline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jul 2007 12:10:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My dog was almost mowed down by a bicyclist in Central Park yesterday.  We had the green pedestrian light, but the bicyclist paid no heed and barreled right on through.  She even yelled at me that &quot;Lights don&#039;t count&quot; on weekends.

I&#039;m just glad my dog is still in one piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dog was almost mowed down by a bicyclist in Central Park yesterday.  We had the green pedestrian light, but the bicyclist paid no heed and barreled right on through.  She even yelled at me that &#8220;Lights don&#8217;t count&#8221; on weekends.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just glad my dog is still in one piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Anne-

Sorry, I wear spandex on my bike.  Helps me control the sweat issue.  I just get changed when I get to my location. 

I&#039;m not male and I&#039;m not in my twenties.  I&#039;ve read a magazine article about a 60-year old man (in spandex!) taking up cycling and riding his bicyles across the USA  Don&#039;t think he hit any pedestrians along the way and I&#039;m sure many old pedestrians would be inspired by his story.  

Look around you when you cross the street.  Cyclists are generally looking out for you, no matter how we are dressed.  

This ain&#039;t Amsterdam.  It&#039;s New Amsteredam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Anne-</p>
<p>Sorry, I wear spandex on my bike.  Helps me control the sweat issue.  I just get changed when I get to my location. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not male and I&#8217;m not in my twenties.  I&#8217;ve read a magazine article about a 60-year old man (in spandex!) taking up cycling and riding his bicyles across the USA  Don&#8217;t think he hit any pedestrians along the way and I&#8217;m sure many old pedestrians would be inspired by his story.  </p>
<p>Look around you when you cross the street.  Cyclists are generally looking out for you, no matter how we are dressed.  </p>
<p>This ain&#8217;t Amsterdam.  It&#8217;s New Amsteredam.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Anne: I did mean that cyclists should accomodate pedestrians when they are right. (And yes, like all my arguments it is indisputable!! Thank you for mentioning it!)

In practice, I also accommodate pedestrians when they are wrong, but with more swearing and only to prevent harm. I mean, when some guy or kid on the Brooklyn Bridge wanders into the bike lane while I&#039;m commuting to work, it may be his fault if I run into him but I&#039;m still not going to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Anne: I did mean that cyclists should accomodate pedestrians when they are right. (And yes, like all my arguments it is indisputable!! Thank you for mentioning it!)</p>
<p>In practice, I also accommodate pedestrians when they are wrong, but with more swearing and only to prevent harm. I mean, when some guy or kid on the Brooklyn Bridge wanders into the bike lane while I&#8217;m commuting to work, it may be his fault if I run into him but I&#8217;m still not going to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne (www.sustainableflatbush.org)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne (www.sustainableflatbush.org)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually, upon closer reading what #44 says is that cyclists should accomodate pedestrians when they are RIGHT. that seems rather hard to dispute, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually, upon closer reading what #44 says is that cyclists should accomodate pedestrians when they are RIGHT. that seems rather hard to dispute, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Anne (www.sustainableflatbush.org)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne (www.sustainableflatbush.org)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with #44; bikes must accomodate pedestrians even when they are wrong, in the same way that cars must accomodate bikes even when they are wrong. and able-bodied pedestrians must accomodate the disabled, elderly, and children. this is sometimes inconvenient, but it is the civilized way to deal with the &quot;hierarchy of vulnerability&quot;. 

i seem to recall some outrage on this blog when it was suggested (by bloomberg maybe?) that cyclists were responsible for their own safety when sharing the road with cars; the desire for recognition of one&#039;s physical vulnerability becomes very empty if it is not extended by cyclists to pedestrians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with #44; bikes must accomodate pedestrians even when they are wrong, in the same way that cars must accomodate bikes even when they are wrong. and able-bodied pedestrians must accomodate the disabled, elderly, and children. this is sometimes inconvenient, but it is the civilized way to deal with the &#8220;hierarchy of vulnerability&#8221;. </p>
<p>i seem to recall some outrage on this blog when it was suggested (by bloomberg maybe?) that cyclists were responsible for their own safety when sharing the road with cars; the desire for recognition of one&#8217;s physical vulnerability becomes very empty if it is not extended by cyclists to pedestrians.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim: &quot;I also know that 95% of the time that potential danger arises, it’s from pedestrians who are either jaywalking and don’t calculate the approaching speed of bike traffic, or who are simply not looking as they cross the street, often on “do not walk” signs.&quot;

OFTEN on &quot;do not walk&quot; signs? So if there is a &quot;walk&quot; sign, they should still yield to bikers? Otherwise the &quot;danger is arising&quot; from the pedestrian, trying to use they right of way that actually have? 

I&#039;m sorry, that&#039;s nonsense. I said it before: I will sometime disobey traffic rules on my bike, but when I do, it is my job to look out for and yield to people who have the right of way--not the other way around. No matter how exceptional the &quot;sense of fluidity&quot; is. 

The fact that you really, really like biking in the park gives you not legal nor ethical claim on the exclusive right of way. Neither does this &quot;other people break rules so I&#039;ll stop after they stop&quot; argument--which obviously is just as often used *against* bikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim: &#8220;I also know that 95% of the time that potential danger arises, it’s from pedestrians who are either jaywalking and don’t calculate the approaching speed of bike traffic, or who are simply not looking as they cross the street, often on “do not walk” signs.&#8221;</p>
<p>OFTEN on &#8220;do not walk&#8221; signs? So if there is a &#8220;walk&#8221; sign, they should still yield to bikers? Otherwise the &#8220;danger is arising&#8221; from the pedestrian, trying to use they right of way that actually have? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, that&#8217;s nonsense. I said it before: I will sometime disobey traffic rules on my bike, but when I do, it is my job to look out for and yield to people who have the right of way&#8211;not the other way around. No matter how exceptional the &#8220;sense of fluidity&#8221; is. </p>
<p>The fact that you really, really like biking in the park gives you not legal nor ethical claim on the exclusive right of way. Neither does this &#8220;other people break rules so I&#8217;ll stop after they stop&#8221; argument&#8211;which obviously is just as often used *against* bikes.</p>
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		<title>By: Hilary Kitasei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hilary Kitasei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 11:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of this sounds like Weinshallism for bikes. Move the traffic by all means necessary. Why not make the loop one-way limited access with no left hand turns?  Racers should have a speedway - but maybe not in the center of a densely populated park. How about Governor&#039;s Island?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of this sounds like Weinshallism for bikes. Move the traffic by all means necessary. Why not make the loop one-way limited access with no left hand turns?  Racers should have a speedway &#8211; but maybe not in the center of a densely populated park. How about Governor&#8217;s Island?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 22:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,  I understand and agree with most of what you are saying, but can&#039;t endorse the view that bicyclists essentially &quot;own&quot; the loop because of the unique virtues it offers them.  The loop offers unique virtues to in-line skaters, joggers, and even walkers.  We&#039;ve got to share, and work together with them to take one or both of the motor vehicle traffic lanes away from the cars and give it to bicyclists.

Until that day, bicyclists will have to be  extra vigilant, watch out for pedestrians who don&#039;t look around them, accept being forced out into traffic on the loop because someone is  getting &quot;exercise&quot; by pushing a double-wide stroller and chatting on a cell phone while walking the wrong way up the bike lane, and pay tickets we get if we don&#039;t pay attention to where NYPD runs its checkpoints. 

The alternative is accepting bicycling&#039;s status as marginal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,  I understand and agree with most of what you are saying, but can&#8217;t endorse the view that bicyclists essentially &#8220;own&#8221; the loop because of the unique virtues it offers them.  The loop offers unique virtues to in-line skaters, joggers, and even walkers.  We&#8217;ve got to share, and work together with them to take one or both of the motor vehicle traffic lanes away from the cars and give it to bicyclists.</p>
<p>Until that day, bicyclists will have to be  extra vigilant, watch out for pedestrians who don&#8217;t look around them, accept being forced out into traffic on the loop because someone is  getting &#8220;exercise&#8221; by pushing a double-wide stroller and chatting on a cell phone while walking the wrong way up the bike lane, and pay tickets we get if we don&#8217;t pay attention to where NYPD runs its checkpoints. </p>
<p>The alternative is accepting bicycling&#8217;s status as marginal.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim D</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/12/parks-dept-central-park-cyclists-must-stop-at-traffic-signals/comment-page-1/#comment-33165</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There’s a reason why you see a greater concentration of cyclists in Central Park than in any other region of Manhattan: here, you can “ride” your bike with a sense of fluidity, which is the transcendent  quality that makes biking so attractive in the first place. There are hundreds and hundreds of miles of streets on this overcrowded island, and these six that make up the Park’s ring road are an incredibly important exception. 

I have pedaled this loop about 5,000 times on my bikes, and just as I know the “Park Racers” will NEVER stop at red lights, I also know that 95% of the time that potential danger arises, it’s from pedestrians who are either jaywalking and don’t calculate the approaching speed of bike traffic, or who are simply not looking as they cross the street, often on “do not walk” signs. (A big part of the remaining chunk owes to pedicabs, who take up over half the bike lane and travel at an awkward 7-8 mph. )

Ironically, I think that the “walk” signs actually create  a false sense of safety for pedestrians, who feel that, because the light says go, no one is coming. Legalities aside,  the reality is that people are coming. More and more they’re coming, as Manhattan gets wealthier and more bike stores open,  selling more aerobars . It’s a shame that a family can cross the street and be nearly struck down by vociferously-tongued tri-guys, but just as the family would look both ways before crossing the avenues, they need to know that the same rules apply in the Park.

In light of this, I would propose that instead of walk signs for street-crossers, there be blinking red lights. This way, pedestrians could cross at any time (which happens anyway), but with an increased sense of mindfulness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s a reason why you see a greater concentration of cyclists in Central Park than in any other region of Manhattan: here, you can “ride” your bike with a sense of fluidity, which is the transcendent  quality that makes biking so attractive in the first place. There are hundreds and hundreds of miles of streets on this overcrowded island, and these six that make up the Park’s ring road are an incredibly important exception. </p>
<p>I have pedaled this loop about 5,000 times on my bikes, and just as I know the “Park Racers” will NEVER stop at red lights, I also know that 95% of the time that potential danger arises, it’s from pedestrians who are either jaywalking and don’t calculate the approaching speed of bike traffic, or who are simply not looking as they cross the street, often on “do not walk” signs. (A big part of the remaining chunk owes to pedicabs, who take up over half the bike lane and travel at an awkward 7-8 mph. )</p>
<p>Ironically, I think that the “walk” signs actually create  a false sense of safety for pedestrians, who feel that, because the light says go, no one is coming. Legalities aside,  the reality is that people are coming. More and more they’re coming, as Manhattan gets wealthier and more bike stores open,  selling more aerobars . It’s a shame that a family can cross the street and be nearly struck down by vociferously-tongued tri-guys, but just as the family would look both ways before crossing the avenues, they need to know that the same rules apply in the Park.</p>
<p>In light of this, I would propose that instead of walk signs for street-crossers, there be blinking red lights. This way, pedestrians could cross at any time (which happens anyway), but with an increased sense of mindfulness.</p>
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		<title>By: gecko</title>
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		<dc:creator>gecko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s such contention for street space!

We need a lot more space for people in this town and places where we can power ourselves to go as fast as we want (or can) without running into anyone.

Oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s such contention for street space!</p>
<p>We need a lot more space for people in this town and places where we can power ourselves to go as fast as we want (or can) without running into anyone.</p>
<p>Oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I encountered a checkpoint this morning at  9:00 a.m. run by Parks Dep&#039;t on the Central Park loop at ~ W.80th St., enforcing the red light against bicyclists.  None of the bicyclists had been tagged and some were having what seemed to be a friendly conversation with the Parks guys.  In almost the exact same spot, I saw NYPD in a cushman writing an HOV violation on a motorist--not sure if the NYPD was working the same spot systematically or just happened to pull the motorist over near the Parks checkpoint (although I don&#039;t recall ever seeing NYPD stopping HOV violators on the  Loop on a non-checkpoint basis).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I encountered a checkpoint this morning at  9:00 a.m. run by Parks Dep&#8217;t on the Central Park loop at ~ W.80th St., enforcing the red light against bicyclists.  None of the bicyclists had been tagged and some were having what seemed to be a friendly conversation with the Parks guys.  In almost the exact same spot, I saw NYPD in a cushman writing an HOV violation on a motorist&#8211;not sure if the NYPD was working the same spot systematically or just happened to pull the motorist over near the Parks checkpoint (although I don&#8217;t recall ever seeing NYPD stopping HOV violators on the  Loop on a non-checkpoint basis).</p>
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