Comments on: T.A.: City, State Parking Drive Would Torpedo Taxi Initiative http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:08:53 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Angus Grieve-Smith http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/comment-page-1/#comment-32303 Angus Grieve-Smith Wed, 06 Jun 2007 04:52:38 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/#comment-32303 Well, I'd also be interested in projections of how many people could be expected to die in car crashes if the 23-27,000 parking spaces are built vs. if the thing were built without off-street parking, or with "only" 4,500 spaces. Well, I'd also be interested in projections of how many people could be expected to die in car crashes if the 23-27,000 parking spaces are built vs. if the thing were built without off-street parking, or with "only" 4,500 spaces.

]]> By: Pat http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/comment-page-1/#comment-32300 Pat Wed, 06 Jun 2007 02:26:42 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/#comment-32300 This story assumes that in 2012 only taxis will be hybrid while everyone else will still be driving conventional fueled vehicles. That is patently erroneous. Secondly, the CO emissions savings will be measured against the current taxifleet of Crown Victorias. The city currently mandates that its leased vehicles are hybrid. If Bloomberg had mandated that taxis follow suit by say next year, then I would actually be impressed. But 2012...this is not even a story, just political frou frou. This story assumes that in 2012 only taxis will be hybrid while everyone else will still be driving conventional fueled vehicles. That is patently erroneous. Secondly, the CO emissions savings will be measured against the current taxifleet of Crown Victorias. The city currently mandates that its leased vehicles are hybrid. If Bloomberg had mandated that taxis follow suit by say next year, then I would actually be impressed. But 2012...this is not even a story, just political frou frou.

]]> By: Angus Grieve-Smith http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/comment-page-1/#comment-32299 Angus Grieve-Smith Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:40:46 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/#comment-32299 Oh yeah, in my own borough, the parking planned for Silvercup West, Queens Plaza and the numerous Downtown Flushing projects, and the ultimately increased parking for Shea StadiumCitifield. Have we neutralized the taxi gains entirely yet? Oh yeah, in my own borough, the parking planned for Silvercup West, Queens Plaza and the numerous Downtown Flushing projects, and the ultimately increased parking for Shea StadiumCitifield. Have we neutralized the taxi gains entirely yet?

]]> By: Angus Grieve-Smith http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/comment-page-1/#comment-32298 Angus Grieve-Smith Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:34:50 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/#comment-32298 <blockquote>For reference, this increase in CO2 will effectively take away more than one-third of the gains promised by Mayor Bloomberg's innovative plan</blockquote> I don't have the numbers handy, but if you add in the parking garages planned for Yankee Stadium, Atlantic Yards, the BAM Cultural District and the Duffield Street hotels, how much of the gains does that offset?

For reference, this increase in CO2 will effectively take away more than one-third of the gains promised by Mayor Bloomberg's innovative plan

I don't have the numbers handy, but if you add in the parking garages planned for Yankee Stadium, Atlantic Yards, the BAM Cultural District and the Duffield Street hotels, how much of the gains does that offset?

]]> By: Count the parking http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/comment-page-1/#comment-32297 Count the parking Tue, 05 Jun 2007 22:15:47 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/#comment-32297 Good work Brad. Stay on it. This is an important story and comes when the greens are distracted by congestion pricing. Good work Brad. Stay on it. This is an important story and comes when the greens are distracted by congestion pricing.

]]> By: Brad Aaron http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/comment-page-1/#comment-32296 Brad Aaron Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:37:27 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/#comment-32296 <p>Count - The latest figure cited by the HKNA, the plaintiff in the lawsuit that is the subject of Streetsblog's coverage so far, is 'over 20,000' new spaces. Other materials I have seen puts the number as high as 30,000. T.A. estimates 23,000. The number of spaces currently allowed also varies depending on the source. As I said, we are hoping to clear this up in future stories. </p> Count - The latest figure cited by the HKNA, the plaintiff in the lawsuit that is the subject of Streetsblog's coverage so far, is 'over 20,000' new spaces. Other materials I have seen puts the number as high as 30,000. T.A. estimates 23,000. The number of spaces currently allowed also varies depending on the source. As I said, we are hoping to clear this up in future stories.

]]> By: Small Business Owner http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/comment-page-1/#comment-32294 Small Business Owner Tue, 05 Jun 2007 21:03:06 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/#comment-32294 A very powerful way to reduce BOTH on-street parking and driving in the city would be to tax advertising on vehicles. For a small business, there is no cheaper way to advertise than to wrap your car or van and just cruise and park. Feed the tolls, feed the meters, feed the gas tank -- they're all chump change compared to the value of the eyeballs on NYC streets. I leave it to you to figure out how to assess this levy equitably.. A very powerful way to reduce BOTH on-street parking and driving in the city would be to tax advertising on vehicles. For a small business, there is no cheaper way to advertise than to wrap your car or van and just cruise and park. Feed the tolls, feed the meters, feed the gas tank -- they're all chump change compared to the value of the eyeballs on NYC streets. I leave it to you to figure out how to assess this levy equitably..

]]> By: Count the parking http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/comment-page-1/#comment-32293 Count the parking Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:28:11 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/#comment-32293 I'd argue that every story should use the full number of 27,400 to emphasize the enormous magnitude of what is being proposed here. Also, call it 23,000 instead of 20,000. Three thousand spots is not a trivial amount of parking. I'd argue that every story should use the full number of 27,400 to emphasize the enormous magnitude of what is being proposed here. Also, call it 23,000 instead of 20,000. Three thousand spots is not a trivial amount of parking.

]]> By: Brad Aaron http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/comment-page-1/#comment-32292 Brad Aaron Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:16:55 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/#comment-32292 Count - The stories refer only to the 'additional' 20,000+ spaces because, as you say, they are what is in play here. But the spaces currently (or previously) allowed are of course worth noting. We are planning additional stories on this, including one in which we 'count the parking.' Count - The stories refer only to the 'additional' 20,000+ spaces because, as you say, they are what is in play here. But the spaces currently (or previously) allowed are of course worth noting. We are planning additional stories on this, including one in which we 'count the parking.'

]]> By: count the parking http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/comment-page-1/#comment-32291 count the parking Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:59:00 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/06/05/city-parking-drive-would-torpedo-taxi-initiative/#comment-32291 Streetsblog, please correct this story and headline. According to a correction in the comment section of yesterday's piece on this, the city proposes to add a total of 27,400 new parking spots to Hells Kitchen. The "additional" 23,000 spots being proposed are beyond the current zoning allowance, which would add "only" 4,400 spots to what is currently there. T.A.'s testimony refers to the additional 23,000 spots because the 4,400 are allowed under current rules and nothing can be done about them. Streetsblog, please correct this story and headline. According to a correction in the comment section of yesterday's piece on this, the city proposes to add a total of 27,400 new parking spots to Hells Kitchen. The "additional" 23,000 spots being proposed are beyond the current zoning allowance, which would add "only" 4,400 spots to what is currently there. T.A.'s testimony refers to the additional 23,000 spots because the 4,400 are allowed under current rules and nothing can be done about them.

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