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	<title>Comments on: Weird Science: Do Helmets Attract Cars to Cyclists?</title>
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		<title>By: chandru</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/31/weird-science-do-helmets-attract-cars-to-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-32240</link>
		<dc:creator>chandru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To #15: It wasn&#039;t a claim, it was a valid observation. You weren&#039;t there, I was. And obviously I don&#039;t imply there were no accidents, it&#039;s that people were not dying like flies sans helmets.

It&#039;s tiring to hear people deny reality, which in this case is that the % of helmet users in countries not mandating them is extremely low (France and Netherlands </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To #15: It wasn't a claim, it was a valid observation. You weren't there, I was. And obviously I don't imply there were no accidents, it's that people were not dying like flies sans helmets.</p>
<p>It's tiring to hear people deny reality, which in this case is that the % of helmet users in countries not mandating them is extremely low (France and Netherlands</p>
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		<title>By: Sproule Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sproule Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hear, hear. This study is total hooey. 

To the &quot;dedicated non-helmet user&quot; in post no. 11: if you&#039;re going to make such preposterous claims, particularly here on SBlog, you might want to produce some data to back them up. Just because you &quot;grew up in a country where there were thousands of non-helmeted cyclists and (you) rarely heard of an accident&quot; doesn&#039;t mean there weren&#039;t any. What an odd object of dedication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear. This study is total hooey. </p>
<p>To the "dedicated non-helmet user" in post no. 11: if you're going to make such preposterous claims, particularly here on SBlog, you might want to produce some data to back them up. Just because you "grew up in a country where there were thousands of non-helmeted cyclists and (you) rarely heard of an accident" doesn't mean there weren't any. What an odd object of dedication.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Fahey</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/31/weird-science-do-helmets-attract-cars-to-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-32202</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher Fahey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Aaron (both Aarons!): Yes, the science of this study is positively retarded. I mean, come on, the &quot;researcher&quot; was also the test subject. That&#039;s pretty much the first sign that any given &quot;scientific&quot; study is a steaming pile of bullshit. 

There are seven ways to detect bad science by just the smell of it. This study violates four of them. 
http://webexhibits.org/bogus/index.html

Use your common sense and just imagine how many ways this study could be faulty. In addition to the previously-mentioned ways in which the tester himself could have deliberately or accidently affected the measurements, there are many common-sense holes and flaws. Drivers don&#039;t give a damn about cyclists, helmets or not -- are we supposed to beleive that drivers have enough time to make this call. Drivers who might normally harass a male cyclist might be a little more gentlemanly to a female cyclist (as the guy was pretending to be). One or two cars in a single test session driving five feet away from the cyclist could easily skew the average distances (note he uses average and not mean distance, another sign of crap science).

Wear your damn helmets, kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Aaron (both Aarons!): Yes, the science of this study is positively retarded. I mean, come on, the "researcher" was also the test subject. That's pretty much the first sign that any given "scientific" study is a steaming pile of bullshit. </p>
<p>There are seven ways to detect bad science by just the smell of it. This study violates four of them.<br />
<a href="http://webexhibits.org/bogus/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://webexhibits.org/bogus/index.html</a></p>
<p>Use your common sense and just imagine how many ways this study could be faulty. In addition to the previously-mentioned ways in which the tester himself could have deliberately or accidently affected the measurements, there are many common-sense holes and flaws. Drivers don't give a damn about cyclists, helmets or not -- are we supposed to beleive that drivers have enough time to make this call. Drivers who might normally harass a male cyclist might be a little more gentlemanly to a female cyclist (as the guy was pretending to be). One or two cars in a single test session driving five feet away from the cyclist could easily skew the average distances (note he uses average and not mean distance, another sign of crap science).</p>
<p>Wear your damn helmets, kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron W</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/31/weird-science-do-helmets-attract-cars-to-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-32180</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 12:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t believe people are still referencing this junk science &quot;study.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't believe people are still referencing this junk science "study."</p>
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		<title>By: Joeventures</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/31/weird-science-do-helmets-attract-cars-to-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-32175</link>
		<dc:creator>Joeventures</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 23:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron, from what I remember (sorry I can&#039;t pull it up immediately), he placed a device on his bicycle that measured the distance between himself and every car that passed him. According to the device, the average distance between himself and the passing motorists was much smaller when he rode without his helmet.

He must have ridden an awful lot -- and maybe on really skinny streets, too -- but he said he was brushed several times by cars. Most of those times was when he was wearing his helmet.

If you think about it, this study probably also supports the idea that removing all signs and markings from the road leads motorists to drive slower and be more careful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, from what I remember (sorry I can't pull it up immediately), he placed a device on his bicycle that measured the distance between himself and every car that passed him. According to the device, the average distance between himself and the passing motorists was much smaller when he rode without his helmet.</p>
<p>He must have ridden an awful lot -- and maybe on really skinny streets, too -- but he said he was brushed several times by cars. Most of those times was when he was wearing his helmet.</p>
<p>If you think about it, this study probably also supports the idea that removing all signs and markings from the road leads motorists to drive slower and be more careful.</p>
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		<title>By: chandru</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/31/weird-science-do-helmets-attract-cars-to-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-32162</link>
		<dc:creator>chandru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 19:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a dedicated non-helmet user myself, I take comfort in the fact that pratically everywhere else in the world few wear helmets (well, not Australia, it&#039;s mandated.) And that I grew up in a country where there were thousands of non-helmeted cyclists and I rarely heard of an accident.

So I wonder: are we just more risk-averse? Are more vehicles out to get us here? Are we worse bicyclists?

I think also I can point out that in most other countries, cycling is more common, and is used for transportation, so you don&#039;t have messengers and spandex tornoadoes whizzing around too fast for their own good (flame suit on.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a dedicated non-helmet user myself, I take comfort in the fact that pratically everywhere else in the world few wear helmets (well, not Australia, it's mandated.) And that I grew up in a country where there were thousands of non-helmeted cyclists and I rarely heard of an accident.</p>
<p>So I wonder: are we just more risk-averse? Are more vehicles out to get us here? Are we worse bicyclists?</p>
<p>I think also I can point out that in most other countries, cycling is more common, and is used for transportation, so you don't have messengers and spandex tornoadoes whizzing around too fast for their own good (flame suit on.)</p>
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		<title>By: Anne (www.sustainableflatbush.org)</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/31/weird-science-do-helmets-attract-cars-to-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-32157</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne (www.sustainableflatbush.org)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 18:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a few years ago i read an article in the ny times magazine about a brain surgeon who was undergoing extreme physical and mental rehabilitation after being thrown from his bicycle by a bump in a country road and incurring a massive brain injury. ironically, he was now a patient of the regimen he himself had developed as a surgeon. there were no cars involved in his accident, and he was not wearing a helmet, which would have prevented the injury. 

i&#039;ll take the helmet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a few years ago i read an article in the ny times magazine about a brain surgeon who was undergoing extreme physical and mental rehabilitation after being thrown from his bicycle by a bump in a country road and incurring a massive brain injury. ironically, he was now a patient of the regimen he himself had developed as a surgeon. there were no cars involved in his accident, and he was not wearing a helmet, which would have prevented the injury. </p>
<p>i'll take the helmet.</p>
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		<title>By: Efficiency Nut</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/31/weird-science-do-helmets-attract-cars-to-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-32152</link>
		<dc:creator>Efficiency Nut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 17:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks EPC and Sean.  Clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks EPC and Sean.  Clear.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/31/weird-science-do-helmets-attract-cars-to-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-32151</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 17:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about the total percentage of bicycle miles traveled with or without a helmet? Maybe more people are wearing helmets? Maybe more people are riding bikes too, and because more people are wearing helmets, there are fewer accidents. Or maybe the number of accidents stays the same because there&#039;s more awareness of bikes with more bikes on the road. These statistics say nothing at all beyond how many cyclists died while wearing or not wearing helmets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about the total percentage of bicycle miles traveled with or without a helmet? Maybe more people are wearing helmets? Maybe more people are riding bikes too, and because more people are wearing helmets, there are fewer accidents. Or maybe the number of accidents stays the same because there's more awareness of bikes with more bikes on the road. These statistics say nothing at all beyond how many cyclists died while wearing or not wearing helmets.</p>
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		<title>By: e.p.c.</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/31/weird-science-do-helmets-attract-cars-to-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-32149</link>
		<dc:creator>e.p.c.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 17:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t realize the URL I posted was the same as in  the second comment.

The FARS system is painful to use but does seem to have a lot of data on cyclist and pedestrian injuries and fatalities, one just has to be very patient to use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn't realize the URL I posted was the same as in  the second comment.</p>
<p>The FARS system is painful to use but does seem to have a lot of data on cyclist and pedestrian injuries and fatalities, one just has to be very patient to use it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/31/weird-science-do-helmets-attract-cars-to-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-32148</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 17:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>e.p.c. beat me to the punch.

Put another way, helmets don&#039;t prevent all fatalities. The more people wear helmets, the more likely helmet-wearers will be among those fatalities for which a helmet is not protection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>e.p.c. beat me to the punch.</p>
<p>Put another way, helmets don't prevent all fatalities. The more people wear helmets, the more likely helmet-wearers will be among those fatalities for which a helmet is not protection.</p>
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		<title>By: e.p.c.</title>
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		<dc:creator>e.p.c.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 17:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would help to know the number of cyclists per year or even the number of injuries sustained by cyclists in order to interpret the fatality statistics.  If the number of cyclists wearing helmets increased substantially between 1994 and 2005, it would not be unreasonable for the number of fatalities for helmet wearers to increase.

For example, the 2005 report http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSF2005/810617.pdf says that 784 pedacyclists were killed but 45000 were injured.  Unfortunately the FARS website is so painfully slow I can&#039;t pull up the 1994/1995 data (http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/).

There&#039;s a summary report here: http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts/bicycles.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would help to know the number of cyclists per year or even the number of injuries sustained by cyclists in order to interpret the fatality statistics.  If the number of cyclists wearing helmets increased substantially between 1994 and 2005, it would not be unreasonable for the number of fatalities for helmet wearers to increase.</p>
<p>For example, the 2005 report <a href="http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSF2005/810617.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/pdf/nrd-30/NCSA/TSF2005/810617.pdf</a> says that 784 pedacyclists were killed but 45000 were injured.  Unfortunately the FARS website is so painfully slow I can't pull up the 1994/1995 data (<a href="http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/)" rel="nofollow">http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/)</a>.</p>
<p>There's a summary report here: <a href="http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts/bicycles.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts/bicycles.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 16:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The answer is pretty obvious, isn&#039;t it?

A helmet camouflaged under a wig of blond tresses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The answer is pretty obvious, isn't it?</p>
<p>A helmet camouflaged under a wig of blond tresses.</p>
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		<title>By: Efficiency Nut</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/31/weird-science-do-helmets-attract-cars-to-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-32144</link>
		<dc:creator>Efficiency Nut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 16:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg (or anyone),
Can you explain why in 1994, 97% of cyclists killed were not wearing helmets, and why in 2005, only 86% of cyclists killed were not wearing helmets.  

That doesn&#039;t make sense to me, and I&#039;m wondering what other factors contribute to that.  The total fatal numbers from the first and last years are almost identical, just the ratio has changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg (or anyone),<br />
Can you explain why in 1994, 97% of cyclists killed were not wearing helmets, and why in 2005, only 86% of cyclists killed were not wearing helmets.  </p>
<p>That doesn't make sense to me, and I'm wondering what other factors contribute to that.  The total fatal numbers from the first and last years are almost identical, just the ratio has changed.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Raisman</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/31/weird-science-do-helmets-attract-cars-to-cyclists/comment-page-1/#comment-32137</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Raisman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 15:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>	&lt;p&gt;Bicyclist deaths by helmet use in US, 1994-2005&lt;/p&gt;
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      No helmet use  Helmet use        Total*
Year    Num      %      Num     %       Num
1994 	776 	97 	19 	2 	796
1995 	783 	95 	34 	4 	828
1996 	731 	96 	27 	4 	761
1997 	785 	97 	23 	3 	811
1998 	741 	98 	16 	2 	757
1999 	698 	93 	42 	6 	750
2000 	622 	90 	50 	7 	689
2001 	616 	84 	60 	8 	729
2002 	589 	89 	54 	8 	663
2003 	535 	85 	58 	9 	626
2004 	602 	83 	87 	12 	722
2005 	673 	86 	76 	10 	782
&lt;/pre&gt;
&lt;p&gt;*Total includes other and/or unknowns&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;SOURCE: &lt;a href=&#039;http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts/bicycles.html&#039; rel=&#039;nofollow&#039;&gt;&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts/bicycles.html&#039; rel=&#039;nofollow&#039;&gt;&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts/bicycles.html&#039; rel=&#039;nofollow&#039;&gt;&lt;a href=&#039;http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts/bicycles.html&#039; rel=&#039;nofollow&#039;&gt;http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts/bicycles.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bicyclist deaths by helmet use in US, 1994-2005</p>
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      No helmet use  Helmet use        Total*
Year    Num      %      Num     %       Num
1994 	776 	97 	19 	2 	796
1995 	783 	95 	34 	4 	828
1996 	731 	96 	27 	4 	761
1997 	785 	97 	23 	3 	811
1998 	741 	98 	16 	2 	757
1999 	698 	93 	42 	6 	750
2000 	622 	90 	50 	7 	689
2001 	616 	84 	60 	8 	729
2002 	589 	89 	54 	8 	663
2003 	535 	85 	58 	9 	626
2004 	602 	83 	87 	12 	722
2005 	673 	86 	76 	10 	782
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<p>*Total includes other and/or unknowns</p>
<p>SOURCE: <a href='http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts/bicycles.html' rel='nofollow'></a><a href='http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts/bicycles.html' rel='nofollow'></a><a href='http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts/bicycles.html' rel='nofollow'></a><a href='http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts/bicycles.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.iihs.org/research/fatality_facts/bicycles.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Naparstek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Naparstek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 15:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I haven&#039;t actually read Ian Walker&#039;s study but couldn&#039;t it just be that HE tended to ride closer to cars when he was wearing a helmet? How did he control for that? 

If anyone actually reads through the whole study, let us know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I haven't actually read Ian Walker's study but couldn't it just be that HE tended to ride closer to cars when he was wearing a helmet? How did he control for that? </p>
<p>If anyone actually reads through the whole study, let us know.</p>
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