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	<title>Comments on: Congestion Pricing: Joan Millman is Not Convinced</title>
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		<title>By: mork</title>
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		<dc:creator>mork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 01:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#28 -- Trucks pay $5 or $6 *per axle* during the proposed congestion charging period on the PA crossings:

http://www.panynj.gov/CommutingTravel/tunnels/pdfs/01_08_05_TollRatesFile.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#28 -- Trucks pay $5 or $6 *per axle* during the proposed congestion charging period on the PA crossings:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.panynj.gov/CommutingTravel/tunnels/pdfs/01_08_05_TollRatesFile.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.panynj.gov/CommutingTravel/tunnels/pdfs/01_08_05_TollRatesFile.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: question</title>
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		<dc:creator>question</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If a truck comes in and out of Manhattan from a NJ tunnel several times in one day, would each toll be subtracted from the $21 congestion fee? Will this be like giving trucks a day-pass, which would encourage more trips??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a truck comes in and out of Manhattan from a NJ tunnel several times in one day, would each toll be subtracted from the $21 congestion fee? Will this be like giving trucks a day-pass, which would encourage more trips??</p>
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		<title>By: Sproule Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sproule Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill, spend a little more time on this website and you see persuasive arguments and data to refute your points. Businesses and taxpayers will prosper, not suffer. The businesses in the congestion zone in London and Stockholm were behind the proposals to implement congestion pricing in the first place and experience has shown they haven&#039;t suffered from fewer customers - if anything they enjoyed a mild uptick in business. 

I bet that if you polled anyone involved in the trucking supply chain here in NYC and asked them how much they would pay to get their freight delivered faster and more reliably, the sum would be higher than $21 a day, which is maybe equivalent to 30 minutes of the cost of a driver&#039;s time, let alone the cost of the truck. 

Taxpayers, even those paying the congestion fee, will enjoy less traffic, better air quality, less stress, and on and on. I&#039;m chagrined that we are still talking about benefits vs. cost on this topic. 

The real question is what we can do now that our elected officials let us down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill, spend a little more time on this website and you see persuasive arguments and data to refute your points. Businesses and taxpayers will prosper, not suffer. The businesses in the congestion zone in London and Stockholm were behind the proposals to implement congestion pricing in the first place and experience has shown they haven't suffered from fewer customers - if anything they enjoyed a mild uptick in business. </p>
<p>I bet that if you polled anyone involved in the trucking supply chain here in NYC and asked them how much they would pay to get their freight delivered faster and more reliably, the sum would be higher than $21 a day, which is maybe equivalent to 30 minutes of the cost of a driver's time, let alone the cost of the truck. </p>
<p>Taxpayers, even those paying the congestion fee, will enjoy less traffic, better air quality, less stress, and on and on. I'm chagrined that we are still talking about benefits vs. cost on this topic. </p>
<p>The real question is what we can do now that our elected officials let us down.</p>
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		<title>By: mork</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/23/congestion-pricing-joan-millman-is-not-convinced/comment-page-1/#comment-34199</link>
		<dc:creator>mork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 14:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>London is burning, bill.</description>
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		<title>By: bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 12:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congestion pricing will be a major economic disaster, and the ones who will suffer will be the businesses and the taxpayers of NYC. Businesses that need to have goods delivered into or out of the pricing zone will be forced to pay higher fees and charge customers more to cover the costs. The truckers are not going to absorb the cost, so they will pass it on to the businesses they deliver to, and in turn the taxpayers of NY will ultimately wind up footing the bill as always!. With all due respect, the Mayor of NYC has flipped his wig on this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congestion pricing will be a major economic disaster, and the ones who will suffer will be the businesses and the taxpayers of NYC. Businesses that need to have goods delivered into or out of the pricing zone will be forced to pay higher fees and charge customers more to cover the costs. The truckers are not going to absorb the cost, so they will pass it on to the businesses they deliver to, and in turn the taxpayers of NY will ultimately wind up footing the bill as always!. With all due respect, the Mayor of NYC has flipped his wig on this one.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 22:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in nj and drive and deliver to midtown all day long. Congestion pricing would do nothing more than raise more money and line the pockets of the corrupt. TAKE MY WORD I KNOW WHAT CAUSES CONGESTION. There are far more easier measures that can be taken to ease congestion before pulling money out my pockets. 
1. reduce the taxi limo population. They occupy 60% or more of midtown traffic. 
2. designate a portion of taxis to delivering up and down town only, and another portion to delivering accross town only. kind of like the buses. 
3. stiff fines for taxis or any vehicle that block more than one lane when picking up or dropping off.
4. super stiff fines for triple parking, and this applies to the NYPD as well.
5. Open up more parking spaces between 7am and 7pm. the city has the most assinign parking restrictions ever.
6. road repairs suck. when these guys patch up a dig they have to do a better job of finishing the road top.
7. those big ass orange smoke vents that hover over manholes in the middle of streets for days at a time, need to be replaced with drive over smoke diverters.
8. ALL right turn arrow lights need to be removed. they serve no purpose. except create congestion when 2 cars wait in line for the friggin thing to turn green and when it does pedestrians hold up the remaining travel time.
9. Pedestrians HAVE to pitch in TOO! They cause a lot of delays.
10. block the box laws need to be enforced.
11. WHY OH WHY does the tunnel authority allow overheight trucks to get within 10 feet of the lincoln tunnel??? then it takes 10 minutes to turn the poor bastard around. there are only 2 ways for a truck to approach the tunnel put the friggin alarms at the 2 approach point then its as simple as making a turn instead of almost getting into the tunnel.
12. WHY OH WHY does the tunnel authority wait until 6AM to open the center tube into the city???
13. WHY OH WHY does the tunnel authority screw with the lincoln toll booth configurations???

Want more????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in nj and drive and deliver to midtown all day long. Congestion pricing would do nothing more than raise more money and line the pockets of the corrupt. TAKE MY WORD I KNOW WHAT CAUSES CONGESTION. There are far more easier measures that can be taken to ease congestion before pulling money out my pockets.<br />
1. reduce the taxi limo population. They occupy 60% or more of midtown traffic.<br />
2. designate a portion of taxis to delivering up and down town only, and another portion to delivering accross town only. kind of like the buses.<br />
3. stiff fines for taxis or any vehicle that block more than one lane when picking up or dropping off.<br />
4. super stiff fines for triple parking, and this applies to the NYPD as well.<br />
5. Open up more parking spaces between 7am and 7pm. the city has the most assinign parking restrictions ever.<br />
6. road repairs suck. when these guys patch up a dig they have to do a better job of finishing the road top.<br />
7. those big ass orange smoke vents that hover over manholes in the middle of streets for days at a time, need to be replaced with drive over smoke diverters.<br />
8. ALL right turn arrow lights need to be removed. they serve no purpose. except create congestion when 2 cars wait in line for the friggin thing to turn green and when it does pedestrians hold up the remaining travel time.<br />
9. Pedestrians HAVE to pitch in TOO! They cause a lot of delays.<br />
10. block the box laws need to be enforced.<br />
11. WHY OH WHY does the tunnel authority allow overheight trucks to get within 10 feet of the lincoln tunnel??? then it takes 10 minutes to turn the poor bastard around. there are only 2 ways for a truck to approach the tunnel put the friggin alarms at the 2 approach point then its as simple as making a turn instead of almost getting into the tunnel.<br />
12. WHY OH WHY does the tunnel authority wait until 6AM to open the center tube into the city???<br />
13. WHY OH WHY does the tunnel authority screw with the lincoln toll booth configurations???</p>
<p>Want more????</p>
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		<title>By: William Sievers</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Sievers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 12:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived in London when they passed their congestion plan, I lived in Singapore where there is a hefty surcharge on automobile ownership and a congestion plan as well. I can assure you that the subway system in NY is far better than the tube in London at that time. The improved quality of life is well worth the temporary pain.  Failure to pass this plan is a failure of leadership, pure and simple. Ms. Millman sould be held accountable by residents of Manhattan, myself included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in London when they passed their congestion plan, I lived in Singapore where there is a hefty surcharge on automobile ownership and a congestion plan as well. I can assure you that the subway system in NY is far better than the tube in London at that time. The improved quality of life is well worth the temporary pain.  Failure to pass this plan is a failure of leadership, pure and simple. Ms. Millman sould be held accountable by residents of Manhattan, myself included.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Mannix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Mannix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2007 03:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Knowing Joan since her first campaign and always -- sometimes with reluctance -- voting for her, I won&#039;t anymore. I have no idea who she represents. Certainly not me. We&#039;ll all get to hear (again) about the 52 things she did for the 52nd AD but she&#039;s out of touch with mass transit riders. 

Ed Mannix</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowing Joan since her first campaign and always -- sometimes with reluctance -- voting for her, I won't anymore. I have no idea who she represents. Certainly not me. We'll all get to hear (again) about the 52 things she did for the 52nd AD but she's out of touch with mass transit riders. </p>
<p>Ed Mannix</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Miner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Miner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 16:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Besides its widely discussed benefits, congestion pricing is also an excellent and crucial energy security measure.  Most of its critics and supporters implicitly assume that the price of gas will remain basically stable, but a growing number of observers, including military analysts and national security advocates, worry that even slight disruptions to our oil imports will cause abrupt price spikes to over $100 a barrel, leading gasoline and heating oil prices to rise to over $5 per gallon.  Gasoline prices could rise suddenly for many reasons:  an attack on Iran causing a blockade of the Straits of Hormuz, the shipping channel for over a third of the world’s oil, turmoil in Nigeria or Venezuela, terrorist attacks on oil shipping and refining infrastructure, or Gulf Coast hurricanes.  Even without a crisis, the U.S. Government Accountability Office warns that depleting world oil supplies, combined with rising demand, will make energy markets increasingly volatile - and supply disruptions inevitable. 

Our addiction to oil and our growing dependence on imported fuel are dangerous security liabilities with severe economic consequences if the flow of foreign oil is disrupted.  Now it’s not just environmentalists calling for massive increases in energy conservation and renewable energy – it’s the Council on Foreign Relations and the Army Corps of Engineers. A new Pentagon study warns that the military must take immediate steps toward running on alternative and renewable fuels or the US military&#039;s ability to respond to hot spots around the world will become &quot;unsustainable in the long term&quot;.   

We can imagine what those Pentagon analysts might tell outer-borough commuters. How would a sharp spike in oil prices affect trucks bringing groceries to supermarkets? Winter heating fuel prices?  The restaurants and theaters dependent on tourists?  Fire, police, ambulances, and garbage trucks?  Would commuters still choose to drive into Manhattan, or would they flock to mass transit?

With the threat of price shocks and fuel shortages, efforts to shift our transit needs to less fuel-guzzling modes is as vital to our future as NYPD’s anti-terror task force.  By getting more drivers out of cars and onto mass transit, congestion pricing increases our economic resiliency. Can it be reframed? Congestion pricing could be more accurately called the transit relief fund, the mass transit incentive, or the rush hour fee, according to Joe Brewer, research fellow at George Lakoff’s Rockridge Institute.  It could also be called security pricing.  


While we need both short-term and long-term responses, the critical starting point of all energy policy should be rapid energy conservation planning.  The newly released Sierra Club NYC report, “Moving New York City toward Sustainable Energy Independence” – available at www.beyondoilnyc.org - urges PlaNYC and City Council to follow San Francisco and Portland, Oregon, already creating municipal plans for energy volatility.  Highway speed limits, reduced public transit fees, car pooling, telecommuting, and compressed work weeks of fewer but longer days are some responses recommended by the International Energy Agency and the engineering firm Parsons Brinkerhoff. 
Many of the issues raised by congestion pricing critics will enhance PlaNYC implementation as they are addressed, but opponents should consider future energy scenarios and connect the dots.  With the matter reframed, perhaps they will join efforts to implement congestion pricing as a step in moving NYC toward better mass transit, and beyond oil. 

Dan Miner
Sierra Club NYC Group
energy committee chair

“Moving NYC Toward Sustainable Energy Independence” has been endorsed by a number of groups, including New York Public Interest Research Group, INFORM, Hudson River Sloop Clearwater, the Pace Energy Project and Sustainable South Bronx. It was cited as a Report of the Day by Gotham Gazette.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Besides its widely discussed benefits, congestion pricing is also an excellent and crucial energy security measure.  Most of its critics and supporters implicitly assume that the price of gas will remain basically stable, but a growing number of observers, including military analysts and national security advocates, worry that even slight disruptions to our oil imports will cause abrupt price spikes to over $100 a barrel, leading gasoline and heating oil prices to rise to over $5 per gallon.  Gasoline prices could rise suddenly for many reasons:  an attack on Iran causing a blockade of the Straits of Hormuz, the shipping channel for over a third of the world’s oil, turmoil in Nigeria or Venezuela, terrorist attacks on oil shipping and refining infrastructure, or Gulf Coast hurricanes.  Even without a crisis, the U.S. Government Accountability Office warns that depleting world oil supplies, combined with rising demand, will make energy markets increasingly volatile - and supply disruptions inevitable. </p>
<p>Our addiction to oil and our growing dependence on imported fuel are dangerous security liabilities with severe economic consequences if the flow of foreign oil is disrupted.  Now it’s not just environmentalists calling for massive increases in energy conservation and renewable energy – it’s the Council on Foreign Relations and the Army Corps of Engineers. A new Pentagon study warns that the military must take immediate steps toward running on alternative and renewable fuels or the US military's ability to respond to hot spots around the world will become "unsustainable in the long term".   </p>
<p>We can imagine what those Pentagon analysts might tell outer-borough commuters. How would a sharp spike in oil prices affect trucks bringing groceries to supermarkets? Winter heating fuel prices?  The restaurants and theaters dependent on tourists?  Fire, police, ambulances, and garbage trucks?  Would commuters still choose to drive into Manhattan, or would they flock to mass transit?</p>
<p>With the threat of price shocks and fuel shortages, efforts to shift our transit needs to less fuel-guzzling modes is as vital to our future as NYPD’s anti-terror task force.  By getting more drivers out of cars and onto mass transit, congestion pricing increases our economic resiliency. Can it be reframed? Congestion pricing could be more accurately called the transit relief fund, the mass transit incentive, or the rush hour fee, according to Joe Brewer, research fellow at George Lakoff’s Rockridge Institute.  It could also be called security pricing.  </p>
<p>While we need both short-term and long-term responses, the critical starting point of all energy policy should be rapid energy conservation planning.  The newly released Sierra Club NYC report, “Moving New York City toward Sustainable Energy Independence” – available at <a href="http://www.beyondoilnyc.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.beyondoilnyc.org</a> - urges PlaNYC and City Council to follow San Francisco and Portland, Oregon, already creating municipal plans for energy volatility.  Highway speed limits, reduced public transit fees, car pooling, telecommuting, and compressed work weeks of fewer but longer days are some responses recommended by the International Energy Agency and the engineering firm Parsons Brinkerhoff.<br />
Many of the issues raised by congestion pricing critics will enhance PlaNYC implementation as they are addressed, but opponents should consider future energy scenarios and connect the dots.  With the matter reframed, perhaps they will join efforts to implement congestion pricing as a step in moving NYC toward better mass transit, and beyond oil. </p>
<p>Dan Miner<br />
Sierra Club NYC Group<br />
energy committee chair</p>
<p>“Moving NYC Toward Sustainable Energy Independence” has been endorsed by a number of groups, including New York Public Interest Research Group, INFORM, Hudson River Sloop Clearwater, the Pace Energy Project and Sustainable South Bronx. It was cited as a Report of the Day by Gotham Gazette.</p>
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		<title>By: mikes</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in her district and sent a letter supporting congestion pricing. The problems with pricing seem minor compared to the potential advantages of increased revenue, reduced pollution, more livable streets, and improved mass transit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in her district and sent a letter supporting congestion pricing. The problems with pricing seem minor compared to the potential advantages of increased revenue, reduced pollution, more livable streets, and improved mass transit.</p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 14:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote to her before,   against the congestion plan. For many of same reasons she mentioned. 
Those of us in neighborhood have good mass transit option,  so easy to ignore areas of NYC that don&#039;t.  If you live in Canarsie and worked at Bellevue Hospital - getting out of work at 11PM (but had to be at work at 3PM)would you be so interested in using mass transit?
If you had small business in our neighborhood that made deliveries to Manhattan,  why not just move to New Jersey if all pay same amount?
Why are taxi riders and limo riders in &#039;congestion area&#039; not asked to pay more also? They have excellent mass transit options yet choose use big congesting  polluting vehicles. In fact, they constitute majority of traffic in midtown. But they are a constituency closer to mayors heart,  not those bridge and tunnel folk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote to her before,   against the congestion plan. For many of same reasons she mentioned.<br />
Those of us in neighborhood have good mass transit option,  so easy to ignore areas of NYC that don't.  If you live in Canarsie and worked at Bellevue Hospital - getting out of work at 11PM (but had to be at work at 3PM)would you be so interested in using mass transit?<br />
If you had small business in our neighborhood that made deliveries to Manhattan,  why not just move to New Jersey if all pay same amount?<br />
Why are taxi riders and limo riders in 'congestion area' not asked to pay more also? They have excellent mass transit options yet choose use big congesting  polluting vehicles. In fact, they constitute majority of traffic in midtown. But they are a constituency closer to mayors heart,  not those bridge and tunnel folk.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben In Brooklyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben In Brooklyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 18:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great to see your article. I also wrote to Millman and received the same reply, so I wrote back responding to her off-base criticisms - see my responses below in CAPS interspersed in her letter:
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I am writing in response to your recent email message regarding the Mayorâ€™s congestion pricing plan. I agree with you that, ideally, 
congestion pricing could generate much needed revenue for improvements to and expansion of our mass transit system, and significantly reduce the amount of traffic, pollution and emissions of greenhouses gases in 
New York City. Unfortunately, when I met with representatives of the 
Mayorâ€™s Office to discuss the details of the proposal, I was not 
convinced that the current plan will succeed in accomplishing these 
goals without creating undue hardships for many New Yorkers. I have 
concerns with many aspects of the Mayorâ€™s plan.


One clear concern with the plan is that the mass transit system is 
severely inadequate to accommodate many of the New York City residents 
who currently commute to Manhattan by car. In fact, the MTAâ€™s policy of 
removing token booth collectors and the excessive lag times for repairs 
to broken elevators and escalators in subway stations, are just two of 
the recent examples of the transit systemâ€™s failure to meet the needs of 
the elderly, the disabled, and other commuters who have difficulties 
navigating stairs.

THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT SOME SMALL % OF IN-CITY CAR COMMUTERS DRIVE BECAUSE THEY CANNOT TAKE THE BUS OR TRAIN, BUT I WOULD ARGUE THAT IS A VERY SMALL % OF CAR COMMUTERS. A GOOD MANY CAR COMMUTERS COULD EASILY SWITCH TO MASS TRANSIT, BUT HAVE JUST CHOSEN NOT TO FOR SOME PERCEIVED CONVENIENCE (UNFORTUNATELY, MANY AMERICANS ARE OK WITH JUST SITTING ALONE IN TRAFFIC). 

Additionally, the data provided by the Mayorâ€™s Office overwhelmingly 
suggests that the majority of traffic into Manhattan is created by 
commuters from outside New York City. I am convinced that the congestion 
pricing plan should take this data into account by shifting a larger 
portion of the burden to commuters from the northern suburbs, Long 
Island and New Jersey.
 
YOU KNOW AS MUCH AS I DO THAT CHARGING SUBURBAN COMMUTERS MORE IS A RED HERRING TO APPEAL TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS. MAKING DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN COMMUTERS IS A POLITICAL NON-STARTER THAT WOULD CAUSE POWERFUL OUT OF CITY POLITICIANS TO KILL THE PLAN. 

I also questioned the Mayorâ€™s Office about how the City would collect 
the fee, including administration and infrastructure changes, and they 
admitted that there is no firm plan to date. Under close scrutiny of 
estimated administration costs, implementing the proposal will be 
significantly more expensive and complicated than originally 
anticipated. There has been no concrete explanation of the process by 
which the generated revenues will be invested into the mass transit 
system, or of how much money will be used to cover the administrative 
costs of the program. Because a congestion pricing proposal of this 
magnitude has the potential to become a bureaucratic catastrophe, the 
details of administration and reinvestment must be carefully worked out 
well before the plan is approved.

I THINK LONDON&#039;S EXPERIENCE IS TOTALLY THE OPPOSITE - WHAT&#039;S YOUR EVIDENCE THAT THIS CANNOT BE DONE W/OUT CREATING A &quot;BUREAUCRATIC CATASTROPHE&quot;?
Furthermore, while several large corporations are in support of the 
Mayorâ€™s plan, I have not yet heard the same positive feedback from 
small, locally owned businesses â€“ many of which are based in Brooklyn 
and other boroughs but conduct transactions in Manhattan on a daily 
basis. I am not convinced that these small business owners will come to 
the same conclusion as larger corporations that can more easily absorb 
the additional costs. For example, the current plan makes no distinction 
between a delivery truck from a multimillion dollar corporation and one 
from a bakery in Gowanus with fewer than a dozen employees â€“ both would 
be charged the $21 commercial fee. I believe that the Mayorâ€™s plan must 
incorporate exemptions or reduced rates, or otherwise take steps to 
account for these real differences.

YES, THIS WILL INCREASE COSTS FOR SOME LOCAL BUSINESSES. HOWEVER, BECAUSE YOU ONLY PAY 1 TIME PER DAY - YOU DON&#039;T PAY AGAIN IF YOU LEAVE AND RETURN, THE EXTRA COST WOULD BE MINIMAL. THIS COST WILL BE OFFSET FOR COMMERCIAL DRIVERS IS THE TOLLS REDUCED TRAFFIC AND MADE THEIR TRIPS TO MANHATTAN FASTER AND MORE EFFICIENT. FOR COMMERCIAL DELIVERY DRIVERS, TIME SITTING IN TRAFFIC AND WASTING GAS IS MONEY DOWN THE TUBES.

I certainly agree we must take action to improve the air quality and 
traffic problems in our Borough and City, but for congestion pricing to 
work for New York, it will have to work for all New Yorkers. The Mayorâ€™s 
Office agreed to supply me with additional information on the proposed 
congestion pricing plan, and I hope changes to the plan will be 
considered to address some of my reservations. While congestion pricing 
may prove to be the best idea, in its present form, I have many 
questions and concerns about the Mayorâ€™s proposal.

I AGREE THE PLAN IS NOT PERFECT AND THAT ADJUSTMENTS NEED TO BE MADE. BUT I WISH YOUR TONE WAS MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PREMISE (&quot;MEND IT DONT END IT&quot;). AND, AS i SAID, I DISAGREE WITH THE PREMISE OF SOME OF YOUR CRITICISMS. 
 
THANK YOU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great to see your article. I also wrote to Millman and received the same reply, so I wrote back responding to her off-base criticisms - see my responses below in CAPS interspersed in her letter:<br />
***</p>
<p>I am writing in response to your recent email message regarding the Mayorâ€™s congestion pricing plan. I agree with you that, ideally,<br />
congestion pricing could generate much needed revenue for improvements to and expansion of our mass transit system, and significantly reduce the amount of traffic, pollution and emissions of greenhouses gases in<br />
New York City. Unfortunately, when I met with representatives of the<br />
Mayorâ€™s Office to discuss the details of the proposal, I was not<br />
convinced that the current plan will succeed in accomplishing these<br />
goals without creating undue hardships for many New Yorkers. I have<br />
concerns with many aspects of the Mayorâ€™s plan.</p>
<p>One clear concern with the plan is that the mass transit system is<br />
severely inadequate to accommodate many of the New York City residents<br />
who currently commute to Manhattan by car. In fact, the MTAâ€™s policy of<br />
removing token booth collectors and the excessive lag times for repairs<br />
to broken elevators and escalators in subway stations, are just two of<br />
the recent examples of the transit systemâ€™s failure to meet the needs of<br />
the elderly, the disabled, and other commuters who have difficulties<br />
navigating stairs.</p>
<p>THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT SOME SMALL % OF IN-CITY CAR COMMUTERS DRIVE BECAUSE THEY CANNOT TAKE THE BUS OR TRAIN, BUT I WOULD ARGUE THAT IS A VERY SMALL % OF CAR COMMUTERS. A GOOD MANY CAR COMMUTERS COULD EASILY SWITCH TO MASS TRANSIT, BUT HAVE JUST CHOSEN NOT TO FOR SOME PERCEIVED CONVENIENCE (UNFORTUNATELY, MANY AMERICANS ARE OK WITH JUST SITTING ALONE IN TRAFFIC). </p>
<p>Additionally, the data provided by the Mayorâ€™s Office overwhelmingly<br />
suggests that the majority of traffic into Manhattan is created by<br />
commuters from outside New York City. I am convinced that the congestion<br />
pricing plan should take this data into account by shifting a larger<br />
portion of the burden to commuters from the northern suburbs, Long<br />
Island and New Jersey.</p>
<p>YOU KNOW AS MUCH AS I DO THAT CHARGING SUBURBAN COMMUTERS MORE IS A RED HERRING TO APPEAL TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS. MAKING DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN COMMUTERS IS A POLITICAL NON-STARTER THAT WOULD CAUSE POWERFUL OUT OF CITY POLITICIANS TO KILL THE PLAN. </p>
<p>I also questioned the Mayorâ€™s Office about how the City would collect<br />
the fee, including administration and infrastructure changes, and they<br />
admitted that there is no firm plan to date. Under close scrutiny of<br />
estimated administration costs, implementing the proposal will be<br />
significantly more expensive and complicated than originally<br />
anticipated. There has been no concrete explanation of the process by<br />
which the generated revenues will be invested into the mass transit<br />
system, or of how much money will be used to cover the administrative<br />
costs of the program. Because a congestion pricing proposal of this<br />
magnitude has the potential to become a bureaucratic catastrophe, the<br />
details of administration and reinvestment must be carefully worked out<br />
well before the plan is approved.</p>
<p>I THINK LONDON'S EXPERIENCE IS TOTALLY THE OPPOSITE - WHAT'S YOUR EVIDENCE THAT THIS CANNOT BE DONE W/OUT CREATING A "BUREAUCRATIC CATASTROPHE"?<br />
Furthermore, while several large corporations are in support of the<br />
Mayorâ€™s plan, I have not yet heard the same positive feedback from<br />
small, locally owned businesses â€“ many of which are based in Brooklyn<br />
and other boroughs but conduct transactions in Manhattan on a daily<br />
basis. I am not convinced that these small business owners will come to<br />
the same conclusion as larger corporations that can more easily absorb<br />
the additional costs. For example, the current plan makes no distinction<br />
between a delivery truck from a multimillion dollar corporation and one<br />
from a bakery in Gowanus with fewer than a dozen employees â€“ both would<br />
be charged the $21 commercial fee. I believe that the Mayorâ€™s plan must<br />
incorporate exemptions or reduced rates, or otherwise take steps to<br />
account for these real differences.</p>
<p>YES, THIS WILL INCREASE COSTS FOR SOME LOCAL BUSINESSES. HOWEVER, BECAUSE YOU ONLY PAY 1 TIME PER DAY - YOU DON'T PAY AGAIN IF YOU LEAVE AND RETURN, THE EXTRA COST WOULD BE MINIMAL. THIS COST WILL BE OFFSET FOR COMMERCIAL DRIVERS IS THE TOLLS REDUCED TRAFFIC AND MADE THEIR TRIPS TO MANHATTAN FASTER AND MORE EFFICIENT. FOR COMMERCIAL DELIVERY DRIVERS, TIME SITTING IN TRAFFIC AND WASTING GAS IS MONEY DOWN THE TUBES.</p>
<p>I certainly agree we must take action to improve the air quality and<br />
traffic problems in our Borough and City, but for congestion pricing to<br />
work for New York, it will have to work for all New Yorkers. The Mayorâ€™s<br />
Office agreed to supply me with additional information on the proposed<br />
congestion pricing plan, and I hope changes to the plan will be<br />
considered to address some of my reservations. While congestion pricing<br />
may prove to be the best idea, in its present form, I have many<br />
questions and concerns about the Mayorâ€™s proposal.</p>
<p>I AGREE THE PLAN IS NOT PERFECT AND THAT ADJUSTMENTS NEED TO BE MADE. BUT I WISH YOUR TONE WAS MORE SUPPORTIVE OF THE PREMISE ("MEND IT DONT END IT"). AND, AS i SAID, I DISAGREE WITH THE PREMISE OF SOME OF YOUR CRITICISMS. </p>
<p>THANK YOU.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne (www.sustainableflatbush.org)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne (www.sustainableflatbush.org)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 14:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: the G train...

service within brooklyn seems a lot better than in the past; BUT, as the only train that goes from brooklyn to queens directly, it is sadly lacking on the queens end, especially on the weekends. it is ridiculous to be required to go to manhattan to get from downtown brooklyn to downtown queens (let alone beyond) but every weekend for what must be years the G has been terminating at court square, one stop from the huge transit hub at queens plaza. VERY frustrating for all the queens folks i know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: the G train...</p>
<p>service within brooklyn seems a lot better than in the past; BUT, as the only train that goes from brooklyn to queens directly, it is sadly lacking on the queens end, especially on the weekends. it is ridiculous to be required to go to manhattan to get from downtown brooklyn to downtown queens (let alone beyond) but every weekend for what must be years the G has been terminating at court square, one stop from the huge transit hub at queens plaza. VERY frustrating for all the queens folks i know.</p>
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		<title>By: transalt</title>
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		<dc:creator>transalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 14:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Transportation Alternativesâ€™ Tour de Brooklyn!

When: Sunday June 3rd, Registration 8 am â€“ Rain or Shine
Where: Start/ Finish Grand Army Plaza, Prospect Park
What: Bicycle tour featuring historic Brooklyn neighborhoods, parks and waterfronts. 
Who: cyclists of all ages and skill levels
Info: www.tourdebrooklyn.org, call 212-629-8080
Cost: Free but on-line registration required

Bike Brooklynâ€™s Best 3rd Annual Tour de Brooklyn 

This yearâ€™s tour gets underway at Grand Army Plaza, a National Historic Landmark at Prospect Park. This yearâ€™s 18 mile tour will feature Brooklynâ€™s southern neighborhoods along the waterfront like Sunset, Bay Ridge, Dyker Heights and Bensonhurst and loops towards the heart of Brooklyn, Kensington and Prospect Park South to end at the Carousel.  

If this is your first time to Brooklyn by bike donâ€™t worry you can join our feeder ride, leaving from Cadman Plaza near Brooklyn Bridge.  Ride will depart promptly at 7:45 am, arriving at Prospect Park 8:05 am.  Safety Marshals will be provided to guide you to the GAP.  

This is a family friendly ride at a leisurely pace, escorted by the police and safety marshals.  There will be one rest stop along the way where you can take a break, stretch your legs and snack on some food. 

Bicycling in New York City has grown by leaps and bounds, there are over 120,000 daily cyclists today, up just 75,000 1992. There are over 36,000 daily cyclists in Brooklyn alone, plus thousands more who bike for fun on the weekends. Transportation Alternatives has been instrumental in winning new bike lanes, improved bridge access, and safe parking for NYC cyclists.

Bicycling in New York City has grown by leaps and bounds, there are over 120,000 daily cyclists today, up just 75,000 1992. There are over 36,000 daily cyclists in Brooklyn alone, plus thousands more who bike for fun on the weekends. Transportation Alternatives has been instrumental in winning new bike lanes, improved bridge access, and safe parking for NYC cyclists.

Transportation Alternatives â€“ 127 W. 26th Street, New York, NY 10001 â€“ (212) 629-8080</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Transportation Alternativesâ€™ Tour de Brooklyn!</p>
<p>When: Sunday June 3rd, Registration 8 am â€“ Rain or Shine<br />
Where: Start/ Finish Grand Army Plaza, Prospect Park<br />
What: Bicycle tour featuring historic Brooklyn neighborhoods, parks and waterfronts.<br />
Who: cyclists of all ages and skill levels<br />
Info: <a href="http://www.tourdebrooklyn.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.tourdebrooklyn.org</a>, call 212-629-8080<br />
Cost: Free but on-line registration required</p>
<p>Bike Brooklynâ€™s Best 3rd Annual Tour de Brooklyn </p>
<p>This yearâ€™s tour gets underway at Grand Army Plaza, a National Historic Landmark at Prospect Park. This yearâ€™s 18 mile tour will feature Brooklynâ€™s southern neighborhoods along the waterfront like Sunset, Bay Ridge, Dyker Heights and Bensonhurst and loops towards the heart of Brooklyn, Kensington and Prospect Park South to end at the Carousel.  </p>
<p>If this is your first time to Brooklyn by bike donâ€™t worry you can join our feeder ride, leaving from Cadman Plaza near Brooklyn Bridge.  Ride will depart promptly at 7:45 am, arriving at Prospect Park 8:05 am.  Safety Marshals will be provided to guide you to the GAP.  </p>
<p>This is a family friendly ride at a leisurely pace, escorted by the police and safety marshals.  There will be one rest stop along the way where you can take a break, stretch your legs and snack on some food. </p>
<p>Bicycling in New York City has grown by leaps and bounds, there are over 120,000 daily cyclists today, up just 75,000 1992. There are over 36,000 daily cyclists in Brooklyn alone, plus thousands more who bike for fun on the weekends. Transportation Alternatives has been instrumental in winning new bike lanes, improved bridge access, and safe parking for NYC cyclists.</p>
<p>Bicycling in New York City has grown by leaps and bounds, there are over 120,000 daily cyclists today, up just 75,000 1992. There are over 36,000 daily cyclists in Brooklyn alone, plus thousands more who bike for fun on the weekends. Transportation Alternatives has been instrumental in winning new bike lanes, improved bridge access, and safe parking for NYC cyclists.</p>
<p>Transportation Alternatives â€“ 127 W. 26th Street, New York, NY 10001 â€“ (212) 629-8080</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/23/congestion-pricing-joan-millman-is-not-convinced/comment-page-1/#comment-31932</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 19:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To beat a dead horse, David Yassky&#039;s newsletter says, &quot;I want you to know that I have decided to support the Mayorâ€™s congestion pricing proposal.  I firmly believe that the ever more pressing danger of climate change, and the immediate threat to the Cityâ€™s economic and respiratory health posed by excessive traffic, require a serious response.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To beat a dead horse, David Yassky's newsletter says, "I want you to know that I have decided to support the Mayorâ€™s congestion pricing proposal.  I firmly believe that the ever more pressing danger of climate change, and the immediate threat to the Cityâ€™s economic and respiratory health posed by excessive traffic, require a serious response."</p>
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		<title>By: MD</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/23/congestion-pricing-joan-millman-is-not-convinced/comment-page-1/#comment-31928</link>
		<dc:creator>MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 19:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to my recollection, when she first ran for this office, an environmental group pointed out that she was the only candidate without a &quot;green&quot; vision for Brooklyn.

But Brooklyn Democrats do love their hacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to my recollection, when she first ran for this office, an environmental group pointed out that she was the only candidate without a "green" vision for Brooklyn.</p>
<p>But Brooklyn Democrats do love their hacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/23/congestion-pricing-joan-millman-is-not-convinced/comment-page-1/#comment-31926</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 19:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pauly Shore?  What about Yahoo Serious?  Or Johnny Five?  El DeBarge?

The G has come a long way from when I started riding it to do lap swims at Metropolitan Pool from Carroll Street.  Back then you had to wait forever.  Not so bad now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pauly Shore?  What about Yahoo Serious?  Or Johnny Five?  El DeBarge?</p>
<p>The G has come a long way from when I started riding it to do lap swims at Metropolitan Pool from Carroll Street.  Back then you had to wait forever.  Not so bad now.</p>
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		<title>By: Orcutt</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/23/congestion-pricing-joan-millman-is-not-convinced/comment-page-1/#comment-31925</link>
		<dc:creator>Orcutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 19:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A train is a train if you&#039;re sitting at Smith/9th.  I think it&#039;s possible that folks who want more subway service in that area to get behind making the G service change permanent once it&#039;s been there for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A train is a train if you're sitting at Smith/9th.  I think it's possible that folks who want more subway service in that area to get behind making the G service change permanent once it's been there for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 18:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orcutt,

Well and good.  KensingtonBrooklyn blogged some rumblings about that recently.

But (1) I understand that&#039;s temporary and (2) the G is the Pauly Shore of subways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orcutt,</p>
<p>Well and good.  KensingtonBrooklyn blogged some rumblings about that recently.</p>
<p>But (1) I understand that's temporary and (2) the G is the Pauly Shore of subways.</p>
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		<title>By: Orcutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orcutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 18:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My understanding is that the G is going to be extended pretty far south from Smith/9th in the next year or so, though I don&#039;t have details.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that the G is going to be extended pretty far south from Smith/9th in the next year or so, though I don't have details.</p>
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