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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/16/todays-headlines-159/comment-page-1/#comment-31697</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 15:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m green on this issue primarily because I think the surveillance project is unstoppable so we might as well enjoy some benefits as long as we are sacrificing our civil liberties.  

In fairness, the PlaNYC documents explicitly disavow surveillance use of data collected for CP purposes and say that the data will be  destroyed once payments are made.  However I doubt that will be the whole story. 

As Angus points out, bicyclists are not exempt from surveillance (I have also heard rumors of NYPD undercover infiltration of bicycle rides and groups!).  I will not forget a meeting of the CB 8 Transpo Committee I attended, where a CB member blithely mentioned the non sequitur that all bicycles should be licensed as if they were motor vehicles, during a discussion of pedestrian safety measures on Park Avenue.  So at some point I expect the civil liberties agenda to be in more explicit tenstion with the green agenda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m green on this issue primarily because I think the surveillance project is unstoppable so we might as well enjoy some benefits as long as we are sacrificing our civil liberties.  </p>
<p>In fairness, the PlaNYC documents explicitly disavow surveillance use of data collected for CP purposes and say that the data will be  destroyed once payments are made.  However I doubt that will be the whole story. </p>
<p>As Angus points out, bicyclists are not exempt from surveillance (I have also heard rumors of NYPD undercover infiltration of bicycle rides and groups!).  I will not forget a meeting of the CB 8 Transpo Committee I attended, where a CB member blithely mentioned the non sequitur that all bicycles should be licensed as if they were motor vehicles, during a discussion of pedestrian safety measures on Park Avenue.  So at some point I expect the civil liberties agenda to be in more explicit tenstion with the green agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 14:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m concerned about this too, Steve.  Unfortunately, it&#039;s even harder for non-motorists to get around without being tracked.  You have to show ID when buying an intercity bus or train ticket, and they record your name in a database.  They probably already have cameras filming pedestrians and cyclists crossing the bridges, and they can track you with your Metrocard if you buy it with a credit card.

I&#039;m not happy about the surveillance angle, but anyone who opposes toll replacement on these grounds should also oppose the tracking of bus and train passengers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m concerned about this too, Steve.  Unfortunately, it&#8217;s even harder for non-motorists to get around without being tracked.  You have to show ID when buying an intercity bus or train ticket, and they record your name in a database.  They probably already have cameras filming pedestrians and cyclists crossing the bridges, and they can track you with your Metrocard if you buy it with a credit card.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not happy about the surveillance angle, but anyone who opposes toll replacement on these grounds should also oppose the tracking of bus and train passengers.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2007 14:44:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Toll Replacement Technology:  This initiative is just as much about security/surveillance as it is about anti-congestion.  No one gets in or out of Manhattan in a private auto without being recorded:

&quot;â€œThis would mark the end of the tollbooth as we know it, replacing these brick-and-mortar symbols of the 20th century with the digital imaging technology of the 21st century,â€ Mr. Shorris said in a speech to a civic group.&quot;

&quot;The authority also uses cameras to take pictures of license plates on cars that drive through E-ZPass gates without paying. Under the proposal, all tollbooths would be removed, and more of those cameras would be installed to bill vehicles without E-ZPasses.&quot;

I&#039;m not saying people should therefore oppose this measure (or congestion pricing, which has similar surveillance synergies), but it&#039;s interesting that the press never picks up on this angle.  The anti-terrorist angle may well be the secret glue (along with traditional back-room back-scratching) that brings dissenting legislators into the congestion pricing tent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Toll Replacement Technology:  This initiative is just as much about security/surveillance as it is about anti-congestion.  No one gets in or out of Manhattan in a private auto without being recorded:</p>
<p>&#8220;â€œThis would mark the end of the tollbooth as we know it, replacing these brick-and-mortar symbols of the 20th century with the digital imaging technology of the 21st century,â€ Mr. Shorris said in a speech to a civic group.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The authority also uses cameras to take pictures of license plates on cars that drive through E-ZPass gates without paying. Under the proposal, all tollbooths would be removed, and more of those cameras would be installed to bill vehicles without E-ZPasses.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying people should therefore oppose this measure (or congestion pricing, which has similar surveillance synergies), but it&#8217;s interesting that the press never picks up on this angle.  The anti-terrorist angle may well be the secret glue (along with traditional back-room back-scratching) that brings dissenting legislators into the congestion pricing tent.</p>
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