Comments on: High-Emission Vehicles to Pay £200 ($400!) to Enter London http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/10/high-emission-vehicles-to-pay-to-enter-london/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Sun, 14 Mar 2010 19:23:56 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Alex http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/10/high-emission-vehicles-to-pay-to-enter-london/comment-page-1/#comment-33396 Alex Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:08:03 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/10/high-emission-vehicles-to-pay-%c2%a3200-to-enter-london/#comment-33396 I think fixed taxes based on Co2 Emissions and horsepower for example are discrimating against choice of vehcile vs usage. Consider my case. I own a vehilce with 483 horsepower which I only use once or twice a month. I otherwise always use puplic transport. Why should I pay a higher tax when I do not even use it? The fairest solution to this is to increase the taxes on petrol so it hurts the user with the highest usage - a proportional tax. These high users will then find alternative means of tranportation or more efficient means of transportation. Why is this not done? I think fixed taxes based on Co2 Emissions and horsepower for example are discrimating against choice of vehcile vs usage. Consider my case. I own a vehilce with 483 horsepower which I only use once or twice a month. I otherwise always use puplic transport. Why should I pay a higher tax when I do not even use it? The fairest solution to this is to increase the taxes on petrol so it hurts the user with the highest usage - a proportional tax. These high users will then find alternative means of tranportation or more efficient means of transportation. Why is this not done?

]]> By: Angus Grieve-Smith http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/10/high-emission-vehicles-to-pay-to-enter-london/comment-page-1/#comment-31569 Angus Grieve-Smith Thu, 10 May 2007 22:03:00 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/10/high-emission-vehicles-to-pay-%c2%a3200-to-enter-london/#comment-31569 A carbon tax isn't enough. I want there to be a "deadly" tax, maybe per pound per horsepower. A carbon tax isn't enough. I want there to be a "deadly" tax, maybe per pound per horsepower.

]]> By: v http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/10/high-emission-vehicles-to-pay-to-enter-london/comment-page-1/#comment-31567 v Thu, 10 May 2007 21:10:17 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/10/high-emission-vehicles-to-pay-%c2%a3200-to-enter-london/#comment-31567 more for "the most polluting vehicles"? does that mean "the taurus i inherited from grandma" or trucks? this is one spot where congestion pricing gets all wonky...switch to carbon tax and polluting vehicles will pay more...wherever they are. more for "the most polluting vehicles"? does that mean "the taurus i inherited from grandma" or trucks?

this is one spot where congestion pricing gets all wonky...switch to carbon tax and polluting vehicles will pay more...wherever they are.

]]> By: Mitch http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/10/high-emission-vehicles-to-pay-to-enter-london/comment-page-1/#comment-31551 Mitch Thu, 10 May 2007 16:09:39 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/10/high-emission-vehicles-to-pay-%c2%a3200-to-enter-london/#comment-31551 <a href="http://atrios.blogspot.com/2007_05_06_archive.html#1468655261007694384" rel="nofollow">Atrios</a> has a nice, elegant justification of congestion pricing from an economist's point of view: "It's important to note that the thinking behind a congestion tax isn't simply about "charging people to drive," it's about the fact that driving on crowded roads involves an unpriced negative externality. That is, there's the private cost of driving which you take into account when you drive down the road and then there's the external cost which is due to the fact that the presence of your car slows things down a bit for everybody else. So what happens is that there's too much traffic, relative to what there would be if the full social cost of driving were taken into account when people made the decision to drive to work. "In other words, it's a tax/toll even economists can love." Atrios has a nice, elegant justification of congestion pricing from an economist's point of view:

"It's important to note that the thinking behind a congestion tax isn't simply about "charging people to drive," it's about the fact that driving on crowded roads involves an unpriced negative externality. That is, there's the private cost of driving which you take into account when you drive down the road and then there's the external cost which is due to the fact that the presence of your car slows things down a bit for everybody else. So what happens is that there's too much traffic, relative to what there would be if the full social cost of driving were taken into account when people made the decision to drive to work.

"In other words, it's a tax/toll even economists can love."

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