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	<title>Comments on: Sadik-Khan and Congestion Pricing: Ready for Prime Time</title>
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		<title>By: ER</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/07/sadik-khan-and-congestion-pricing-ready-for-prime-time/comment-page-1/#comment-32697</link>
		<dc:creator>ER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does no one realize how the &quot;benefits&quot; of the plan are simply 4 commuter rail stations, while decreasing pollution in an area with low asthma rates, increasing it in areas with a high asthma rate, and just flooding up the subway system with more commuters (can the L actually handle any more people?). Now I&#039;m from the Bronx so I can only speak for what I know about the proposed stations here, Co-Op City and Parkchester. Building a Metro-North Station in Co-Op city is actually a good idea. I don&#039;t have a grasp on how many people would use it but they&#039;re really left out of the loop when it comes to commuting with just a few express buses. A Parkchester station is useless since they have the 6 train, it&#039;s a relatively poor neighborhood, and would you really spend more money to take a train which shaves 10 minutes off your commute IF you&#039;re going somewhere close to Grand Central. I don&#039;t know how Queens residents feel but if the LIRR stations are near the subways, is it really going to help? I&#039;ve always been an avid Bloomberg supporter but this is just a poorly planned, quick way to make more revenue for the city and exploit the fact that politicians in this city won&#039;t vote &quot;Against the environment&quot;, even though the environmental &quot;gains&quot; of &quot;6% less cars [south of 86th, which they omit]&quot; will be heavily countered by the gridlock above 86th street with people who&#039;d rather park and walk if they work anywhere in the immediate area south of 86th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does no one realize how the "benefits" of the plan are simply 4 commuter rail stations, while decreasing pollution in an area with low asthma rates, increasing it in areas with a high asthma rate, and just flooding up the subway system with more commuters (can the L actually handle any more people?). Now I'm from the Bronx so I can only speak for what I know about the proposed stations here, Co-Op City and Parkchester. Building a Metro-North Station in Co-Op city is actually a good idea. I don't have a grasp on how many people would use it but they're really left out of the loop when it comes to commuting with just a few express buses. A Parkchester station is useless since they have the 6 train, it's a relatively poor neighborhood, and would you really spend more money to take a train which shaves 10 minutes off your commute IF you're going somewhere close to Grand Central. I don't know how Queens residents feel but if the LIRR stations are near the subways, is it really going to help? I've always been an avid Bloomberg supporter but this is just a poorly planned, quick way to make more revenue for the city and exploit the fact that politicians in this city won't vote "Against the environment", even though the environmental "gains" of "6% less cars [south of 86th, which they omit]" will be heavily countered by the gridlock above 86th street with people who'd rather park and walk if they work anywhere in the immediate area south of 86th.</p>
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		<title>By: Psynick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psynick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 21:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;... Psynick&#039;s comment essentially says that the only way the mayor can win support for congestion pricing (and anything else, I suppose) is by b-r-i-b-i-n-g our elected officials in Albany... &quot;

Or extorting.  Not too many things actually get done simply because they merit getting done, particularly in a situation like NYC&#039;s -- limited home rule authority; Bruno and Silver (and a lot of other legislators) hate Bloomberg.

&quot;Maybe, but I just don&#039;t believe that he couldn&#039;t have lined up support beforehand,&quot;

Couldn&#039;t?  Who knows, maybe he could have, but clearly he didn&#039;t.  We don&#039;t know whether it&#039;s a conscious tactic or not.

&quot;with or without the horse-trading that Psynick suggests is necessary. &quot;

The mayor of NYC does not have the legal authority to impose CP on his own.  He needs both local (City Council) and state authorization.   I can think of very few examples of a mayor getting a major, complex new policy iniative through both the Council and the State without having to call in political chits and/or make bargains.  The stadium and olympics fiascos make it pretty clear that  a) state approvals of the mayor&#039;s personal priorities ended with mayoral control of the schools b) lining up advance political is not Doctoroff&#039;s strong suit.

As many other posters have noted, most of the objections to CP are specious, but have a certain popular resonance.  The people making these objections aren&#039;t stupid.  It&#039;s easy to be talked out of these positions.  They just need a reason to listen.  Do I need to connect the dots any more than this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"... Psynick's comment essentially says that the only way the mayor can win support for congestion pricing (and anything else, I suppose) is by b-r-i-b-i-n-g our elected officials in Albany... "</p>
<p>Or extorting.  Not too many things actually get done simply because they merit getting done, particularly in a situation like NYC's -- limited home rule authority; Bruno and Silver (and a lot of other legislators) hate Bloomberg.</p>
<p>"Maybe, but I just don't believe that he couldn't have lined up support beforehand,"</p>
<p>Couldn't?  Who knows, maybe he could have, but clearly he didn't.  We don't know whether it's a conscious tactic or not.</p>
<p>"with or without the horse-trading that Psynick suggests is necessary. "</p>
<p>The mayor of NYC does not have the legal authority to impose CP on his own.  He needs both local (City Council) and state authorization.   I can think of very few examples of a mayor getting a major, complex new policy iniative through both the Council and the State without having to call in political chits and/or make bargains.  The stadium and olympics fiascos make it pretty clear that  a) state approvals of the mayor's personal priorities ended with mayoral control of the schools b) lining up advance political is not Doctoroff's strong suit.</p>
<p>As many other posters have noted, most of the objections to CP are specious, but have a certain popular resonance.  The people making these objections aren't stupid.  It's easy to be talked out of these positions.  They just need a reason to listen.  Do I need to connect the dots any more than this?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 13:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s what CM Garodnick has to say about congestion pricing.  Since his is a &quot;straddle&quot; district on the East side of Manhattan that is half-in, half out of the proposed congestion pricing zone, I focused my comment and inquiry to him on the reasons why straddle districts should support congestion pricing.  I interpret his response, which focuses on the motoring needs of outer boroughs residents and does not directly address straddle concerns, as currently undecided but positioning for potential future opposition. 


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Thank you for your thoughtful e-mail about congestion pricing and its potential benefits.  
 
I agree with you that this is a very promising proposal.  The City is going to gain another million residents by the year 2030, and that is going to mean even more significant challenges for traffic and congestion -- particularly in our area.  The Partnership for New York City recently issued a report that shows that traffic and congestion have become a significant drag on the City and the regional economy â€“ costing more than $13 billion and as many as 52,000 new jobs annually.  That is a problem that we will need to address.  
 
Of course, the only reasonable way to make this work is to couple such a plan with significantly improved access to public transportation for residents in the outer boroughs.  The City Council recently held a Transportation Committee Hearing in Broad Channel, Queens (the Rockaways), where it became abundantly clear to me that there are many New York City residents who simply must rely on their cars to get around -- because of the absence of real mass transit options. 
 
The devil is in the details, and I will be meeting with the Mayor&#039;s office to discuss the plan in greater depth.  But you should know that I agree with you on the need for bold action to combat our worsening congestion, and have not seen any better proposals to come around to address this problem.  
 
Please do not hesitate to contact me again about any matter at all.
 
Best,
 
Dan Garodnick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here's what CM Garodnick has to say about congestion pricing.  Since his is a "straddle" district on the East side of Manhattan that is half-in, half out of the proposed congestion pricing zone, I focused my comment and inquiry to him on the reasons why straddle districts should support congestion pricing.  I interpret his response, which focuses on the motoring needs of outer boroughs residents and does not directly address straddle concerns, as currently undecided but positioning for potential future opposition. </p>
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Thank you for your thoughtful e-mail about congestion pricing and its potential benefits.  </p>
<p>I agree with you that this is a very promising proposal.  The City is going to gain another million residents by the year 2030, and that is going to mean even more significant challenges for traffic and congestion -- particularly in our area.  The Partnership for New York City recently issued a report that shows that traffic and congestion have become a significant drag on the City and the regional economy â€“ costing more than $13 billion and as many as 52,000 new jobs annually.  That is a problem that we will need to address.  </p>
<p>Of course, the only reasonable way to make this work is to couple such a plan with significantly improved access to public transportation for residents in the outer boroughs.  The City Council recently held a Transportation Committee Hearing in Broad Channel, Queens (the Rockaways), where it became abundantly clear to me that there are many New York City residents who simply must rely on their cars to get around -- because of the absence of real mass transit options. </p>
<p>The devil is in the details, and I will be meeting with the Mayor's office to discuss the plan in greater depth.  But you should know that I agree with you on the need for bold action to combat our worsening congestion, and have not seen any better proposals to come around to address this problem.  </p>
<p>Please do not hesitate to contact me again about any matter at all.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Dan Garodnick</p>
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		<title>By: rhubarbpie</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhubarbpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 19:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I&#039;m as cynical as the next guy, but Psynick&#039;s comment essentially says that the only way the mayor can win support for congestion pricing (and anything else, I suppose) is by b-r-i-b-i-n-g our elected officials in Albany. Maybe, but I just don&#039;t believe that he couldn&#039;t have lined up support beforehand, with or without the horse-trading that Psynick suggests is necessary. 

It is indeed possible that Bloomberg will win something in this round, and even that the non-committal responses are just an indication that some key officials are holding back. But as an outsider, I don&#039;t see the kind of support I would have hoped the mayor would have lined up before making this important proposal. 

Nevertheless, there is a way out, as I suggested in my earlier post (thanks, Momos, for advancing my point). The anti-congestion pricing arguments are often easy to beat back, esp. when lobbyists completely make up things. And those that aren&#039;t deserve a hearing. Let&#039;s hope the mayor and allies have a game plan to tackle them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I'm as cynical as the next guy, but Psynick's comment essentially says that the only way the mayor can win support for congestion pricing (and anything else, I suppose) is by b-r-i-b-i-n-g our elected officials in Albany. Maybe, but I just don't believe that he couldn't have lined up support beforehand, with or without the horse-trading that Psynick suggests is necessary. </p>
<p>It is indeed possible that Bloomberg will win something in this round, and even that the non-committal responses are just an indication that some key officials are holding back. But as an outsider, I don't see the kind of support I would have hoped the mayor would have lined up before making this important proposal. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, there is a way out, as I suggested in my earlier post (thanks, Momos, for advancing my point). The anti-congestion pricing arguments are often easy to beat back, esp. when lobbyists completely make up things. And those that aren't deserve a hearing. Let's hope the mayor and allies have a game plan to tackle them.</p>
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		<title>By: Psynick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Psynick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 14:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys, one word: politics.  Here&#039;s the deal.  Congestion pricing won&#039;t happen without the state legislature.  This mean Bloomberg has to win legislators over.  The complement of this, is that smart legislators start out from a position of opposition or else they won&#039;t get anything out of Bloomberg in exchange for their support.  So what do they want?  Campaign money (Bloomberg is a heavy personal donor) and support, commitment from Bloomberg to back pet projects, city jobs for cronies, and (in a small number of cases, e.g. Liu) a seat at the policy table.

Don&#039;t worry, there is no principled, on the merits opposition to CP, only the usual NY State political BS give and take.  The risk here is not that the ill-informed pro-car yahoos will defeat a just cause.  The risk is that Bloomberg will misplay the politics.  Let&#039;s hope he learned the right lessons from the school stadium and olympics fights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys, one word: politics.  Here's the deal.  Congestion pricing won't happen without the state legislature.  This mean Bloomberg has to win legislators over.  The complement of this, is that smart legislators start out from a position of opposition or else they won't get anything out of Bloomberg in exchange for their support.  So what do they want?  Campaign money (Bloomberg is a heavy personal donor) and support, commitment from Bloomberg to back pet projects, city jobs for cronies, and (in a small number of cases, e.g. Liu) a seat at the policy table.</p>
<p>Don't worry, there is no principled, on the merits opposition to CP, only the usual NY State political BS give and take.  The risk here is not that the ill-informed pro-car yahoos will defeat a just cause.  The risk is that Bloomberg will misplay the politics.  Let's hope he learned the right lessons from the school stadium and olympics fights.</p>
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		<title>By: JF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 12:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Howie, in the past few years several hospitals have closed in Queens, possibly because Queens residents are driving to Manhattan.  If McCaffrey is right, Bloomberg and T.A. should contact the local hospitals and medical associations and get them to support the plan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Howie, in the past few years several hospitals have closed in Queens, possibly because Queens residents are driving to Manhattan.  If McCaffrey is right, Bloomberg and T.A. should contact the local hospitals and medical associations and get them to support the plan.</p>
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		<title>By: howie hedd</title>
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		<dc:creator>howie hedd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 04:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This McCaffrey is a real loon !

So we could reduce traffic in Manhattan by about 10% (2/3 of the Queens burden) just by building hospitals in Queens??

If it were only that easy!

And what are we to do about &quot;the &quot;significant problem&quot; posed by those who are not driving??

&quot;We have to do something about the pedestrians,&quot; McCaffrey said.

Well I suggest we give them guns, but that would only exacerbate the health care shortage in Queens!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This McCaffrey is a real loon !</p>
<p>So we could reduce traffic in Manhattan by about 10% (2/3 of the Queens burden) just by building hospitals in Queens??</p>
<p>If it were only that easy!</p>
<p>And what are we to do about "the "significant problem" posed by those who are not driving??</p>
<p>"We have to do something about the pedestrians," McCaffrey said.</p>
<p>Well I suggest we give them guns, but that would only exacerbate the health care shortage in Queens!!</p>
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		<title>By: momos</title>
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		<dc:creator>momos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 04:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a quick follow up to the Newsday article mentioned by MD (available here: http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-nycong055199401may05,0,3629900.story)

Bloomberg is quoted saying &quot;It&#039;s got to be this legislative session. It can&#039;t be put off any longer.&quot;

The legislative session terminates at the end of this month. That means Bloomberg has just over 3 weeks to get congestion pricing legislation passed.

And how far along is he?

Newsday: &quot;A check of the Legislature&#039;s electronic database yesterday [May 4] showed none had been submitted.&quot;

Bloomberg will &quot;review details of the plan&quot; with Bruno when he travels to Albany on May 14.

MAY 14!? The session is over 13 business days later! Who in their right mind believes Albany will get behind congestion pricing in 13 days?

Give me whatever Bloomberg&#039;s aides are smoking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a quick follow up to the Newsday article mentioned by MD (available here: <a href="http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-nycong055199401may05,0,3629900.story)" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-nycong055199401may05,0,3629900.story)</a></p>
<p>Bloomberg is quoted saying "It's got to be this legislative session. It can't be put off any longer."</p>
<p>The legislative session terminates at the end of this month. That means Bloomberg has just over 3 weeks to get congestion pricing legislation passed.</p>
<p>And how far along is he?</p>
<p>Newsday: "A check of the Legislature's electronic database yesterday [May 4] showed none had been submitted."</p>
<p>Bloomberg will "review details of the plan" with Bruno when he travels to Albany on May 14.</p>
<p>MAY 14!? The session is over 13 business days later! Who in their right mind believes Albany will get behind congestion pricing in 13 days?</p>
<p>Give me whatever Bloomberg's aides are smoking.</p>
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		<title>By: momos</title>
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		<dc:creator>momos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 03:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rhubarbpie hit the nail on the head: Bloomberg has to convince Silver, and he has to take the campaign to Queens and Brooklyn.

Although ACORN hasn&#039;t opposed the plan, as JK points out, that&#039;s not the same as applying shoe leather to the pavement and advocating for it.

The benefits of congestion pricing for blue collar New Yorkers have not been emphasized nearly enough. If it came to be seen as an environmental justice issue and a means of investment in public services used by the working class, the politics around congestion pricing would dramatically change. Most Democrats would have trouble opposing it in the face of activism by unions and community groups (who now are at best tepidly supporting it or are neutral).

I&#039;m with rhubarbpie on Bloomberg&#039;s poor effort to date in laying the political groundwork. Why isn&#039;t the tempo faster? Why isn&#039;t the campaigning harder? Why is the administration&#039;s discussion of the issue delivered to groups like RPA that hardly need convincing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rhubarbpie hit the nail on the head: Bloomberg has to convince Silver, and he has to take the campaign to Queens and Brooklyn.</p>
<p>Although ACORN hasn't opposed the plan, as JK points out, that's not the same as applying shoe leather to the pavement and advocating for it.</p>
<p>The benefits of congestion pricing for blue collar New Yorkers have not been emphasized nearly enough. If it came to be seen as an environmental justice issue and a means of investment in public services used by the working class, the politics around congestion pricing would dramatically change. Most Democrats would have trouble opposing it in the face of activism by unions and community groups (who now are at best tepidly supporting it or are neutral).</p>
<p>I'm with rhubarbpie on Bloomberg's poor effort to date in laying the political groundwork. Why isn't the tempo faster? Why isn't the campaigning harder? Why is the administration's discussion of the issue delivered to groups like RPA that hardly need convincing?</p>
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		<title>By: JF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 03:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sadly, &quot;We have to do something about the pedestrians,&quot; is not an uncommon thing to hear from politicians in Queens.  I think McCaffrey just forgot he was at a citywide forum.  I hope it bites him in the ass, but we&#039;ll see.  Doctors&#039; appointments?  If that&#039;s the best he can come up with, his bosses should be asking for their money back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, "We have to do something about the pedestrians," is not an uncommon thing to hear from politicians in Queens.  I think McCaffrey just forgot he was at a citywide forum.  I hope it bites him in the ass, but we'll see.  Doctors' appointments?  If that's the best he can come up with, his bosses should be asking for their money back.</p>
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		<title>By: d</title>
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		<dc:creator>d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 02:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe McCaffrey envisions a city where the pedestrian has been eliminated and everyone can drive straight to their desks, to doctor&#039;s appointments, to tables at restaurants, etc.  After millions of years of evolution, finally walking will be eliminated!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe McCaffrey envisions a city where the pedestrian has been eliminated and everyone can drive straight to their desks, to doctor's appointments, to tables at restaurants, etc.  After millions of years of evolution, finally walking will be eliminated!</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 01:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as the anti-pricing crowd has people saying things like &quot;we have to do something about the pedestrians,&quot; don&#039;t worry, you pro-pricing people (whose side I&#039;m slowly starting to come around to) are more likely to get your way.

That is one of the most damning, embarrassing, ignorant quotations I&#039;ve ever read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as the anti-pricing crowd has people saying things like "we have to do something about the pedestrians," don't worry, you pro-pricing people (whose side I'm slowly starting to come around to) are more likely to get your way.</p>
<p>That is one of the most damning, embarrassing, ignorant quotations I've ever read.</p>
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		<title>By: MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 01:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>momos, Saturday&#039;s Newsday had an article saying that Bloomberg was ready to put heavy pressure on anyone standing in the way of his  plan.  He sounded pretty committed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>momos, Saturday's Newsday had an article saying that Bloomberg was ready to put heavy pressure on anyone standing in the way of his  plan.  He sounded pretty committed.</p>
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		<title>By: harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 23:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great ideas, but let&#039;s get the darn thing in the ground first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great ideas, but let's get the darn thing in the ground first.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 23:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pricing is actually off to a decent start. Bruno and Silver have been neutral and no groups representing working class New Yorkers (like ACORN) have opposed it. The enemy here is the clock. Tick, tick. What does it mean if the legislature passes pricing next session and Bloomberg has less than a full-year left?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pricing is actually off to a decent start. Bruno and Silver have been neutral and no groups representing working class New Yorkers (like ACORN) have opposed it. The enemy here is the clock. Tick, tick. What does it mean if the legislature passes pricing next session and Bloomberg has less than a full-year left?</p>
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		<title>By: crzwdjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>crzwdjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 23:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d suggest having variable pricing based on time. So there&#039;d be a high charge during peak hours, a slightly lower one at midday to allow for deliveries, a low one before and after rush hour to deter a rush of cars trying to &quot;beat the toll&quot;. Maybe even impose the charge on friday and saturday nights until relatively late to encourage people to take the train rather than drive to the places of entertainment in Manhattan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd suggest having variable pricing based on time. So there'd be a high charge during peak hours, a slightly lower one at midday to allow for deliveries, a low one before and after rush hour to deter a rush of cars trying to "beat the toll". Maybe even impose the charge on friday and saturday nights until relatively late to encourage people to take the train rather than drive to the places of entertainment in Manhattan.</p>
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		<title>By: Corporate Elite</title>
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		<dc:creator>Corporate Elite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 23:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello? Have you noticed that Marty Markowitz hasn&#039;t come out against congestion pricing? Do you think that&#039;s just an accident? It&#039;s not. Marty&#039;s not the only one, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello? Have you noticed that Marty Markowitz hasn't come out against congestion pricing? Do you think that's just an accident? It's not. Marty's not the only one, either.</p>
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		<title>By: rhubarbpie</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhubarbpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 23:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s Millman, not Milman. Sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That's Millman, not Milman. Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: rhubarbpie</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/07/sadik-khan-and-congestion-pricing-ready-for-prime-time/comment-page-1/#comment-31455</link>
		<dc:creator>rhubarbpie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 23:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s particularly disturbing at this juncture is that Bloomberg is mostly preaching to the converted, as momos noted, and that he apparently didn&#039;t succeed in winning the support of any local state legislators before making his proposal. Not all that competent. Shocking, actually.

But he still has a chance: First by showing Speaker Silver that Canal Street traffic (in Silver&#039;s district) can be reduced and convincing him to back the plan.

Second, by doing a sweep of Queens and Brooklyn to convince residents there (where he is extremely popular) that this is a smart plan. The legislators will likely then fall in place (with a grassroots campaign accompanying the mayor&#039;s push). 

Bloomberg&#039;s already described some of the transit improvements he&#039;d push forward there; why not make the case in a series of town halls right in Liu and Milman&#039;s home districts? It&#039;s not that tough a sell, since most of their constituents already pay to get into Manhattan. It&#039;s called the subway fare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What's particularly disturbing at this juncture is that Bloomberg is mostly preaching to the converted, as momos noted, and that he apparently didn't succeed in winning the support of any local state legislators before making his proposal. Not all that competent. Shocking, actually.</p>
<p>But he still has a chance: First by showing Speaker Silver that Canal Street traffic (in Silver's district) can be reduced and convincing him to back the plan.</p>
<p>Second, by doing a sweep of Queens and Brooklyn to convince residents there (where he is extremely popular) that this is a smart plan. The legislators will likely then fall in place (with a grassroots campaign accompanying the mayor's push). </p>
<p>Bloomberg's already described some of the transit improvements he'd push forward there; why not make the case in a series of town halls right in Liu and Milman's home districts? It's not that tough a sell, since most of their constituents already pay to get into Manhattan. It's called the subway fare.</p>
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		<title>By: Helena</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 21:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The beauty of the new technology is that the toll could be $5 at 5am and then $8 at 9am. The fee could even potentially be set to respond to the amount of congestion on the roads in real-time. There is a lot of tweaking that can be done to make the system work well. It&#039;s the politics that seem less tweakable, unfortunately. Once this plan goes through, any tweak is sure to generate a s4it-storm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The beauty of the new technology is that the toll could be $5 at 5am and then $8 at 9am. The fee could even potentially be set to respond to the amount of congestion on the roads in real-time. There is a lot of tweaking that can be done to make the system work well. It's the politics that seem less tweakable, unfortunately. Once this plan goes through, any tweak is sure to generate a s4it-storm.</p>
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