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	<title>Comments on: Building a Better Bike Lane</title>
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		<title>By: Alan Preston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Preston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have a look at the situation for cyclists in Kyoto, Japan where I enjoyed 10 glorious years as a cyclist. 

http://utilitycyclism.blogspot.com/

I&#039;m currently living in Christchurch in New Zealand where the restrictive conditions for cyclists
inspired me to write this description of cycling in Kyoto to bring about an awareness that urban utility cycling is already well established in environments,societies and economies very similar to our own. 

Alan Preston.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a look at the situation for cyclists in Kyoto, Japan where I enjoyed 10 glorious years as a cyclist. </p>
<p><a href="http://utilitycyclism.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://utilitycyclism.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>I'm currently living in Christchurch in New Zealand where the restrictive conditions for cyclists<br />
inspired me to write this description of cycling in Kyoto to bring about an awareness that urban utility cycling is already well established in environments,societies and economies very similar to our own. </p>
<p>Alan Preston.</p>
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		<title>By: hamish wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/04/building-a-better-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-31528</link>
		<dc:creator>hamish wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 15:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all of this, it may come in very very useful in a Toronto campaign to push for a long bike lane beside the Bloor/Danforth subway to make a living legacy for a climate/bike activist tooker gomberg. Painting lines on the street is very cheap, but we too have major difficulties with how the lines do and often don&#039;t work,though I won&#039;t defend all cyclists, just biking.
thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all of this, it may come in very very useful in a Toronto campaign to push for a long bike lane beside the Bloor/Danforth subway to make a living legacy for a climate/bike activist tooker gomberg. Painting lines on the street is very cheap, but we too have major difficulties with how the lines do and often don't work,though I won't defend all cyclists, just biking.<br />
thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/04/building-a-better-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-31453</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 21:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A 4&quot; raised pathway in the middle would not last long.  DOT repaves by dumping new stuff on top of the old stuff.  Only the truck routes get scraped and repaved, because of what the trucks do the roadway.  The curbs are completely gone on many city streets that do not allow trucks, such as 5th and Park.  

I could see implementing dartley&#039;s central lane concept on Park Ave. by putting a buffered bike lane in the place of the current left lanes of both the northbound and southbound roadways.  Cars could still have what are now the center and right lanes of each roadway, but would be kept out of the left lanes with a row of highly attractive plastic bollards, each of which was mounted at the top with a photo of a Revolutionary War hero or other suitably historical personage.  Then you would have a two-way Class I bike lane more or less up the middle of middle of Manhattan to complement the Greenways along the sides.  Install similar bollard-protected Class I lanes river-to-river on 125th Street, 72nd Street, 42nd Street and Houston Street (without the median in the middle, of course),  and you would have the bulk of an arterial Class I network for Manhattan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A 4" raised pathway in the middle would not last long.  DOT repaves by dumping new stuff on top of the old stuff.  Only the truck routes get scraped and repaved, because of what the trucks do the roadway.  The curbs are completely gone on many city streets that do not allow trucks, such as 5th and Park.  </p>
<p>I could see implementing dartley's central lane concept on Park Ave. by putting a buffered bike lane in the place of the current left lanes of both the northbound and southbound roadways.  Cars could still have what are now the center and right lanes of each roadway, but would be kept out of the left lanes with a row of highly attractive plastic bollards, each of which was mounted at the top with a photo of a Revolutionary War hero or other suitably historical personage.  Then you would have a two-way Class I bike lane more or less up the middle of middle of Manhattan to complement the Greenways along the sides.  Install similar bollard-protected Class I lanes river-to-river on 125th Street, 72nd Street, 42nd Street and Houston Street (without the median in the middle, of course),  and you would have the bulk of an arterial Class I network for Manhattan.</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/04/building-a-better-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-31442</link>
		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 20:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan-I have faith in the non-physical separation because of the one and only way motorists DON&#039;T abuse current class II lanes--they may park in them, turn in them, etc., but they generally don&#039;t DRIVE in them.

I wouldn&#039;t want to see a center lane elevated, because that would be dangerous to negotiate for cyclists--hitting a bump straight on is okay, but angling into one, like a cyclist would with an elevated center lane, can cause wipe-outs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan-I have faith in the non-physical separation because of the one and only way motorists DON'T abuse current class II lanes--they may park in them, turn in them, etc., but they generally don't DRIVE in them.</p>
<p>I wouldn't want to see a center lane elevated, because that would be dangerous to negotiate for cyclists--hitting a bump straight on is okay, but angling into one, like a cyclist would with an elevated center lane, can cause wipe-outs.</p>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/04/building-a-better-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-31439</link>
		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 18:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@24,

I really think the only way this thing would work is if the center bike lane was at least raised 4 inches from the ground.  Otherwise, motorists will monopolize the space to pass other vehicles.

It doesn&#039;t necessarily need to be walled off with jersey barriers (which may pose to be a problem with fire trucks and ambulances)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@24,</p>
<p>I really think the only way this thing would work is if the center bike lane was at least raised 4 inches from the ground.  Otherwise, motorists will monopolize the space to pass other vehicles.</p>
<p>It doesn't necessarily need to be walled off with jersey barriers (which may pose to be a problem with fire trucks and ambulances)...</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Naparstek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Naparstek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 18:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harvey, 

I&#039;m thinking that to really make this work then you&#039;ve got to convert some of Manhattan&#039;s one-way avenues back into two ways and create center medians that function as bus/bike lanes running right down the middle in each direction. 

I don&#039;t think that this is Dartley&#039;s plan, however. I&#039;m just riffing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvey, </p>
<p>I'm thinking that to really make this work then you've got to convert some of Manhattan's one-way avenues back into two ways and create center medians that function as bus/bike lanes running right down the middle in each direction. </p>
<p>I don't think that this is Dartley's plan, however. I'm just riffing...</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 16:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and right, as far as I can imagine, the center lane could NOT be physically separated.  I do think that if it were wide, a solid color, and marked, alternatingly, &quot;FIRE AND [bike picture] ONLY&quot; and &quot;NO CARS EXCEPT X-ING,&quot; motorists would generally behave properly.  I ought to talk to some fire truck drivers to see what they think...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and right, as far as I can imagine, the center lane could NOT be physically separated.  I do think that if it were wide, a solid color, and marked, alternatingly, "FIRE AND [bike picture] ONLY" and "NO CARS EXCEPT X-ING," motorists would generally behave properly.  I ought to talk to some fire truck drivers to see what they think...</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 15:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harvey, sure enough, while out riding yesterday I thought of the very same possible shortcoming you describe above.  Probably at the same time you were writing your comment, if you believe in that Jungian stuff.

Yeah, I don&#039;t know what to say about that.  I wish the design was unassailable, but I must admit it could be 1)annoying and 2)possibly scary to stand in a lane between car lanes waiting for the light to turn red AND THEN turn green again.  

I suppose it really is a sort of &quot;bike highway,&quot; not for lots of turning and neighborhood exploring, but to provide a safe place for cyclists to drive THROUGH to a distant destination, like so many cars do in our city.  The reason I&#039;m attached to the design is because that&#039;s how I ride--mainly as a commuter.  And it is, undoubtably, safer to ride *in a straight line,* and visibly.  That&#039;s what this kind of dedicated lane would provide.

I suppose the solution to the &quot;waiting to turn&quot; problem is a bit chaotic, or, unfortunately, better suited to the courageous:  If ALL lanes have a green, and a cyclist in between moving car lanes wants to turn off, they can a)wait, as already discussed, or b)just cut across the one or two car lanes as needed, cautiously.  Scenario &quot;b&quot; does not introduce any more chaos to the picture than what currently exists.  (Of course, I was aiming higher than that, but maybe &quot;design team streetsblog&quot; will fix it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvey, sure enough, while out riding yesterday I thought of the very same possible shortcoming you describe above.  Probably at the same time you were writing your comment, if you believe in that Jungian stuff.</p>
<p>Yeah, I don't know what to say about that.  I wish the design was unassailable, but I must admit it could be 1)annoying and 2)possibly scary to stand in a lane between car lanes waiting for the light to turn red AND THEN turn green again.  </p>
<p>I suppose it really is a sort of "bike highway," not for lots of turning and neighborhood exploring, but to provide a safe place for cyclists to drive THROUGH to a distant destination, like so many cars do in our city.  The reason I'm attached to the design is because that's how I ride--mainly as a commuter.  And it is, undoubtably, safer to ride *in a straight line,* and visibly.  That's what this kind of dedicated lane would provide.</p>
<p>I suppose the solution to the "waiting to turn" problem is a bit chaotic, or, unfortunately, better suited to the courageous:  If ALL lanes have a green, and a cyclist in between moving car lanes wants to turn off, they can a)wait, as already discussed, or b)just cut across the one or two car lanes as needed, cautiously.  Scenario "b" does not introduce any more chaos to the picture than what currently exists.  (Of course, I was aiming higher than that, but maybe "design team streetsblog" will fix it.)</p>
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		<title>By: harvey</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/04/building-a-better-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-31430</link>
		<dc:creator>harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 12:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron - I was assuming the lane was not physically separated, just a striped lane in the middle of the road, which is how ddartley described it I think.  If it were physically separated, how would vehicles (or bikes for that matter) get from one side of it to the other?

Also, if you want to turn you stop at a green light and wait for it to turn red:  1, who&#039;s going to do that?  2, if you do, how will you feel about standing in the middle of a high-speed avenue while 2000-lb vehicles rush past you on both sides, and, possibly, bear down on you from behind?  How long do you think it will take for one of these patiently waiting bicyclists standing prone in the center of a moving avenue to get hit at a very high speed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron - I was assuming the lane was not physically separated, just a striped lane in the middle of the road, which is how ddartley described it I think.  If it were physically separated, how would vehicles (or bikes for that matter) get from one side of it to the other?</p>
<p>Also, if you want to turn you stop at a green light and wait for it to turn red:  1, who's going to do that?  2, if you do, how will you feel about standing in the middle of a high-speed avenue while 2000-lb vehicles rush past you on both sides, and, possibly, bear down on you from behind?  How long do you think it will take for one of these patiently waiting bicyclists standing prone in the center of a moving avenue to get hit at a very high speed?</p>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 02:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, a center lane would DEFINITELY need to be physically separated (perhaps raised) from the street to keep drivers away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, a center lane would DEFINITELY need to be physically separated (perhaps raised) from the street to keep drivers away.</p>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 02:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the center bike lane would work very well, but only if a) traffic is made 2 ways on avenues and b) the left turn is banned on avenues altogether.  I think this would also serve to calm traffic, since it would be impossible for motorists to treat the avenues as highways during off-peak traffic hours.  Banning the left turn would force drivers to drive around the block, rather than making stupid, high speed turns while shifting over several lanes.  It also would serve to keep them from turning into cyclists using the center bike lane.

Now, there may be a price to pay environmentally, since traffic patterns would become more convoluted without having a left turn (thus burning more fuel).  However, I think that making it much more difficult to drive in NYC would help to convince these people to use public transit...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the center bike lane would work very well, but only if a) traffic is made 2 ways on avenues and b) the left turn is banned on avenues altogether.  I think this would also serve to calm traffic, since it would be impossible for motorists to treat the avenues as highways during off-peak traffic hours.  Banning the left turn would force drivers to drive around the block, rather than making stupid, high speed turns while shifting over several lanes.  It also would serve to keep them from turning into cyclists using the center bike lane.</p>
<p>Now, there may be a price to pay environmentally, since traffic patterns would become more convoluted without having a left turn (thus burning more fuel).  However, I think that making it much more difficult to drive in NYC would help to convince these people to use public transit...</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Naparstek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Naparstek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 00:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not sure I see why it&#039;s so complicated. When you want to make a turn you just stop and wait for the light to change so that you can proceed with crosstown traffic. 

Paris now has a few of these center median bus/bike/taxi lanes and while I didn&#039;t really delve into how they function for bikes, they are far and away the best BRT lanes in the city right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not sure I see why it's so complicated. When you want to make a turn you just stop and wait for the light to change so that you can proceed with crosstown traffic. </p>
<p>Paris now has a few of these center median bus/bike/taxi lanes and while I didn't really delve into how they function for bikes, they are far and away the best BRT lanes in the city right now.</p>
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		<title>By: harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 00:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and also, those bikers riding in the center will be more likely to want to move to the side when they have to make a turn, rather than take advantage of this lead green time that ddartley described.  Also, what do you do when you have the green light and you want to make a turn?  You have to merge with traffic anyway, and the lead green time doesn&#039;t benefit you unless you hit a red light where you want to turn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and also, those bikers riding in the center will be more likely to want to move to the side when they have to make a turn, rather than take advantage of this lead green time that ddartley described.  Also, what do you do when you have the green light and you want to make a turn?  You have to merge with traffic anyway, and the lead green time doesn't benefit you unless you hit a red light where you want to turn.</p>
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		<title>By: harvey</title>
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		<dc:creator>harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 00:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help thinking that this center bike lane concept is a total bust.  May be that reflects its radical difference from all current designs in the standard planning tools, and my lack of familiarity with it.  But I can&#039;t see that design working on all but a very few streets, mostly in Manhattan (though ddartley basically admitted that himself).  Cars are constantly shifting lanes on those wide one-way avenues, to get around double-parked cars, buses, slow-moving vehicles, etc.  And they often need to get from one side of the road to another.  Never mind the acrobatics that taxis do when they see someone hailing on the opposite side.  Plus, riding in the middle of a busy high-speed avenue doesn&#039;t seem likely to win many converts among those already intimidated by NYC biking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't help thinking that this center bike lane concept is a total bust.  May be that reflects its radical difference from all current designs in the standard planning tools, and my lack of familiarity with it.  But I can't see that design working on all but a very few streets, mostly in Manhattan (though ddartley basically admitted that himself).  Cars are constantly shifting lanes on those wide one-way avenues, to get around double-parked cars, buses, slow-moving vehicles, etc.  And they often need to get from one side of the road to another.  Never mind the acrobatics that taxis do when they see someone hailing on the opposite side.  Plus, riding in the middle of a busy high-speed avenue doesn't seem likely to win many converts among those already intimidated by NYC biking.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/05/04/building-a-better-bike-lane/comment-page-1/#comment-31417</link>
		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 22:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D-

If done in conjunction with MuniMetering there may not even be a lost of spaces considering its increased efficiency. 

On a different note: as they roll out MuniMetering, Bloomberg and the DOT should take the opportunity to give every block a loading zone.  The # of spaces will be a wash but the LOS on the street should go up as double parking decrease: everyone&#039;s a winner!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D-</p>
<p>If done in conjunction with MuniMetering there may not even be a lost of spaces considering its increased efficiency. </p>
<p>On a different note: as they roll out MuniMetering, Bloomberg and the DOT should take the opportunity to give every block a loading zone.  The # of spaces will be a wash but the LOS on the street should go up as double parking decrease: everyone's a winner!</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 20:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a center bike lane would prevent pedestrian conflicts AND car conflicts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a center bike lane would prevent pedestrian conflicts AND car conflicts.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 20:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P&#039;s right on the importance of visibility and turning conflicts but there are ways to deal with it.  You can install a raised island in place of the last three to five parking spaces before the intersection, which would resolve the visibility problem.  The island could be used for embarking/disembarking taxi/bus passengers (designate the island a taxi stand or bus stop).  This would replace the motorist-bicyclist conflicts with new pedestrian-bicyclists ones, but I think those could be managed more easily.  In any event the use of the island for taxi and bus passengers might help justify/camoflauge the removal of the parking spaces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P's right on the importance of visibility and turning conflicts but there are ways to deal with it.  You can install a raised island in place of the last three to five parking spaces before the intersection, which would resolve the visibility problem.  The island could be used for embarking/disembarking taxi/bus passengers (designate the island a taxi stand or bus stop).  This would replace the motorist-bicyclist conflicts with new pedestrian-bicyclists ones, but I think those could be managed more easily.  In any event the use of the island for taxi and bus passengers might help justify/camoflauge the removal of the parking spaces.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
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		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 11:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne-

I&#039;d like to see injury statistics but my understanding is that a bike lane separated from traffic by a row of parked cars helps prevent a type of accident that rarely occurs: the motorist overtaking the cyclist.  However, it appears to me that it would greatly worsen the much more common types of accidents at the intersection because the cyclists will be hidden from view by the SUVs.

I agree that it may &lt;i&gt;feel&lt;/i&gt; safer to have a steel buffer between you and traffic but perceptions of safety can be deceiving.  (as is brilliantly noted in the Malcom Gladwell piece on SUVs that was posted on a recent thread)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne-</p>
<p>I'd like to see injury statistics but my understanding is that a bike lane separated from traffic by a row of parked cars helps prevent a type of accident that rarely occurs: the motorist overtaking the cyclist.  However, it appears to me that it would greatly worsen the much more common types of accidents at the intersection because the cyclists will be hidden from view by the SUVs.</p>
<p>I agree that it may <i>feel</i> safer to have a steel buffer between you and traffic but perceptions of safety can be deceiving.  (as is brilliantly noted in the Malcom Gladwell piece on SUVs that was posted on a recent thread)</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 May 2007 04:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>separated bike lanes ** next to the curb ** would also not require taking any space from parked or moving cars. this is the design that has been working for many years in germany and the netherlands, and more recently in montreal. feels immeasurably safer than our current (designed-to-aid-vehicular-homicide) model.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>separated bike lanes ** next to the curb ** would also not require taking any space from parked or moving cars. this is the design that has been working for many years in germany and the netherlands, and more recently in montreal. feels immeasurably safer than our current (designed-to-aid-vehicular-homicide) model.</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 17:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second that as well.  A desire to quicken neighborhood errands must be one of the most common motives for city people to buy a bike.  Should indeed be thought about by planners and such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second that as well.  A desire to quicken neighborhood errands must be one of the most common motives for city people to buy a bike.  Should indeed be thought about by planners and such.</p>
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