Comments on: PlaNYC: Foster the Market For Renewable Energy http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ethan http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-31158 Ethan Thu, 26 Apr 2007 00:20:37 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/#comment-31158 Glenn, Funny you should say that. I just learned that the Mayor is in Mexico now visiting a Conditional Cash Transfer program. As I understand it, it is essentially a program to reward people monetarily for positive behavior. Perhaps such a program could eventually reward people for more sustainable and healthy activities, like biking. Glenn,

Funny you should say that. I just learned that the Mayor is in Mexico now visiting a Conditional Cash Transfer program. As I understand it, it is essentially a program to reward people monetarily for positive behavior. Perhaps such a program could eventually reward people for more sustainable and healthy activities, like biking.

]]> By: Glenn http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-31155 Glenn Wed, 25 Apr 2007 22:07:56 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/#comment-31155 Well I still say they should pay people to bike... Well I still say they should pay people to bike…

]]> By: Gary Davidson http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-31150 Gary Davidson Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:22:19 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/#comment-31150 Glenn - actually I believe that Mayor Bloomberg is essentially proposing "real-time pricing" for transportation. He doesn't call it that, but congestion pricing for vehicles essentially means you pay more to get into the city during peak periods. It would produce the same incentive - you can choose to pay the higher tolls and drive into the city, or "go off the grid" and take the subway. Glenn – actually I believe that Mayor Bloomberg is essentially proposing “real-time pricing” for transportation. He doesn’t call it that, but congestion pricing for vehicles essentially means you pay more to get into the city during peak periods. It would produce the same incentive – you can choose to pay the higher tolls and drive into the city, or “go off the grid” and take the subway.

]]> By: Glenn http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-31147 Glenn Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:56:44 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/#comment-31147 Imagine if transportation worked the same way. You could pay less to take the subways off peak and mass transit would pay people to bike along highly congested mass transit lines at peak times... Imagine if transportation worked the same way. You could pay less to take the subways off peak and mass transit would pay people to bike along highly congested mass transit lines at peak times…

]]> By: Charles Siegel http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-31146 Charles Siegel Wed, 25 Apr 2007 20:05:09 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/#comment-31146 I get it. With real-time pricing, the price is higher during peak hours, so it becomes more attractive for consumers to generate that peak electricity on-site using solar rather than buying it. Thank you, Mr. Komanoff. I see it is an incentive for energy consumers to build on-site solar panels, but I am not clear on whether it is an incentive for utilities to shift to solar. It seems the utilities would still want to use coal to generate that peak power and get a bigger profit. I get it. With real-time pricing, the price is higher during peak hours, so it becomes more attractive for consumers to generate that peak electricity on-site using solar rather than buying it. Thank you, Mr. Komanoff.

I see it is an incentive for energy consumers to build on-site solar panels, but I am not clear on whether it is an incentive for utilities to shift to solar. It seems the utilities would still want to use coal to generate that peak power and get a bigger profit.

]]> By: Eric http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-31143 Eric Wed, 25 Apr 2007 19:53:39 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/#comment-31143 And yet, Whole Foods, which happily wraps itself in a (marketing) cloak of sustainability, continues to say that a solar (or green) roof for its proposed Brooklyn store is "not feasible." And, oh yeah, they just have to have those 420 parking spaces. And yet, Whole Foods, which happily wraps itself in a (marketing) cloak of sustainability, continues to say that a solar (or green) roof for its proposed Brooklyn store is “not feasible.” And, oh yeah, they just have to have those 420 parking spaces.

]]> By: Komanoff http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-31141 Komanoff Wed, 25 Apr 2007 18:53:54 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/#comment-31141 Real-time electricity pricing will make solar-generated power far more valuable, by boosting the price of each kilowatt-hour that now doesn't have to be bought from the power grid, because it's solar-generated on-site. (Off-peak, night-time power will be cheaper, balancing out the rates so the average customer won't pay more.) Real-time electricity pricing will make solar-generated power far more valuable, by boosting the price of each kilowatt-hour that now doesn’t have to be bought from the power grid, because it’s solar-generated on-site. (Off-peak, night-time power will be cheaper, balancing out the rates so the average customer won’t pay more.)

]]> By: Jason Varone http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-31137 Jason Varone Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:06:10 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/#comment-31137 I think they are saying that when you factor in Real-Time Pricing, solar starts to look much cheaper. I think they are saying that when you factor in Real-Time Pricing, solar starts to look much cheaper.

]]> By: Charles Siegel http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/comment-page-1/#comment-31134 Charles Siegel Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:56:44 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/25/planyc-foster-the-market-for-renewable-energy/#comment-31134 I don't see the connection between real-time pricing and renewable energy. Yes, "The peak hours for electricity consumption in New York City also happen to be at a time when we are basking in sunlight." But real-time pricing moves demand AWAY from the peak hours. I don’t see the connection between real-time pricing and renewable energy.

Yes, “The peak hours for electricity consumption in New York City also happen to be at a time when we are basking in sunlight.” But real-time pricing moves demand AWAY from the peak hours.

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