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	<title>Comments on: Who Opposes A Plan for Safer, More Livable Streets and Why?</title>
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		<title>By: mork</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/11/who-opposes-a-plan-for-more-livable-streets-and-why/comment-page-1/#comment-30721</link>
		<dc:creator>mork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 15:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clarence from StreetFilms for BBP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarence from StreetFilms for BBP!</p>
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		<title>By: JF</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/11/who-opposes-a-plan-for-more-livable-streets-and-why/comment-page-1/#comment-30706</link>
		<dc:creator>JF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, is it possible that the community board members are chosen(or retained) not because they represent the residents of their neighborhoods, but because they are in sync with the agenda of Markowitz and the unrepresentative Democratic machine that he serves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, is it possible that the community board members are chosen(or retained) not because they represent the residents of their neighborhoods, but because they are in sync with the agenda of Markowitz and the unrepresentative Democratic machine that he serves?</p>
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		<title>By: JF</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/11/who-opposes-a-plan-for-more-livable-streets-and-why/comment-page-1/#comment-30705</link>
		<dc:creator>JF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Apr 2007 00:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The community boards were reappointed (with new appointees to fill vacancies) by Marty Markowitz.  Is he completely unaccountable for their representativeness?

How many of you were among the 79% of Brooklyn voters who re-elected him in 1995, instead of the 7% who voted for Gloria Mattera?

In general I agree with Random&#039;s idea that the boards are broken, but have you even tried to make them work?  How about if you took note of every community board member who opposes the bike lane and wrote to Markowitz to complain?

And has anyone figured out who the community board member was who, when faced with 700 constituents adamantly opposed to the DOT one-way avenues plan, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/19/did-cb6-motion-fully-reflect-the-voice-of-the-people/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;drafted a wishy-washy resolution&lt;/a&gt; that failed to reflect the mood of the neighborhood, and that failed to call for any specific measures to calm Eighth Avenue and Prospect Park West?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The community boards were reappointed (with new appointees to fill vacancies) by Marty Markowitz.  Is he completely unaccountable for their representativeness?</p>
<p>How many of you were among the 79% of Brooklyn voters who re-elected him in 1995, instead of the 7% who voted for Gloria Mattera?</p>
<p>In general I agree with Random's idea that the boards are broken, but have you even tried to make them work?  How about if you took note of every community board member who opposes the bike lane and wrote to Markowitz to complain?</p>
<p>And has anyone figured out who the community board member was who, when faced with 700 constituents adamantly opposed to the DOT one-way avenues plan, <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/19/did-cb6-motion-fully-reflect-the-voice-of-the-people/" rel="nofollow">drafted a wishy-washy resolution</a> that failed to reflect the mood of the neighborhood, and that failed to call for any specific measures to calm Eighth Avenue and Prospect Park West?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Siegel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it is better to have bike lanes and narrower traffic lanes, which will slow traffic even more.  But going from four lanes to two lanes will slow traffic without the bike lanes.  

It might be better to support a slightly inferior plan that is politically possible rather than a superior plan that is politically impossible. 

Just a thought.  Since I am not there, I am obviously not an expert on the political realities that are involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it is better to have bike lanes and narrower traffic lanes, which will slow traffic even more.  But going from four lanes to two lanes will slow traffic without the bike lanes.  </p>
<p>It might be better to support a slightly inferior plan that is politically possible rather than a superior plan that is politically impossible. </p>
<p>Just a thought.  Since I am not there, I am obviously not an expert on the political realities that are involved.</p>
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		<title>By: random</title>
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		<dc:creator>random</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about we just admit instead that community boards in NYC are more likely than not to in no way represent the views of the actual full community? With some exceptions, these folks are demographically and mentally out of synch with the people living next door to them, and tend to choose their narrow self interest (like being too lazy to bother to look for a parking spot down the block to drop off a package) than what will actually benefit their community. It&#039;s a sham.

And why should bike lanes and other traffic calming devices be subject to community board approval? Nothing else is.

Either turn these hack boards into something that really speaks for their neighbors, hook them up with some permanent professional planners or stop giving them any control over the few good ideas that are coming out of our city government these days. These 9th Avenue nay-sayers clearly no longer give a sh*t about their neighborhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about we just admit instead that community boards in NYC are more likely than not to in no way represent the views of the actual full community? With some exceptions, these folks are demographically and mentally out of synch with the people living next door to them, and tend to choose their narrow self interest (like being too lazy to bother to look for a parking spot down the block to drop off a package) than what will actually benefit their community. It's a sham.</p>
<p>And why should bike lanes and other traffic calming devices be subject to community board approval? Nothing else is.</p>
<p>Either turn these hack boards into something that really speaks for their neighbors, hook them up with some permanent professional planners or stop giving them any control over the few good ideas that are coming out of our city government these days. These 9th Avenue nay-sayers clearly no longer give a sh*t about their neighborhood.</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Brooklyn enforcement against bike lane abuse is anything like it is in Manhattan, these residents who want to double park have NOTHING to worry about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Brooklyn enforcement against bike lane abuse is anything like it is in Manhattan, these residents who want to double park have NOTHING to worry about.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Barnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doc Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And even without bike lanes, pedestrians would be exposed to an increase in invisible deadly bicycles. Streets must be used ONLY by non-deadly, loud, 2-ton-plus vehicles--think of the children!

(Something tells me these residents don&#039;t walk around a whole lot.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And even without bike lanes, pedestrians would be exposed to an increase in invisible deadly bicycles. Streets must be used ONLY by non-deadly, loud, 2-ton-plus vehicles--think of the children!</p>
<p>(Something tells me these residents don't walk around a whole lot.)</p>
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		<title>By: Channelizer</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/11/who-opposes-a-plan-for-more-livable-streets-and-why/comment-page-1/#comment-30686</link>
		<dc:creator>Channelizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles

That&#039;s a thoughtful suggestion, but not quite right. The reason bike lanes are good for everyone is that they traffic calm the street and help reduce speeding by making the street seem narrower. Traffic planners call it &quot;channelizing.&quot; We know from lots of studies (maybe someone can link a couple in here) that motorists go slower when they think the street is narrower. Narrower lanes also have this effect. So if you went without the bike lane, you would still want to narrow the lanes, widen the median and create the appearence of a narrower street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles</p>
<p>That's a thoughtful suggestion, but not quite right. The reason bike lanes are good for everyone is that they traffic calm the street and help reduce speeding by making the street seem narrower. Traffic planners call it "channelizing." We know from lots of studies (maybe someone can link a couple in here) that motorists go slower when they think the street is narrower. Narrower lanes also have this effect. So if you went without the bike lane, you would still want to narrow the lanes, widen the median and create the appearence of a narrower street.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Siegel</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/11/who-opposes-a-plan-for-more-livable-streets-and-why/comment-page-1/#comment-30684</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had a similar restriping in Berkeley, replacing four lanes with two traffic lanes, a center turning lane, and bike lanes.  

Residents were just as mad, because they considered this an issue of bicyclists vs. cars, rather than seeing that it is a matter of slowing traffic and making the street safer for everyone (particularly for residents). 

At the time, I suggested that it might be easier to get the plan through if we eliminated the bike lanes and just had the center turning lane plus two wide traffic lanes. 

Let me make the same suggestion here.  It would eliminate all of the resident&#039;s objections listed above.  It would be almost as safe for bicyclists to ride in those wide lanes as in a striped bike lane (since cars will stop and block the bike lane even though it is illegal.  Two traffic lanes would mean slower traffic that is safer for everyone, including bicyclists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a similar restriping in Berkeley, replacing four lanes with two traffic lanes, a center turning lane, and bike lanes.  </p>
<p>Residents were just as mad, because they considered this an issue of bicyclists vs. cars, rather than seeing that it is a matter of slowing traffic and making the street safer for everyone (particularly for residents). </p>
<p>At the time, I suggested that it might be easier to get the plan through if we eliminated the bike lanes and just had the center turning lane plus two wide traffic lanes. </p>
<p>Let me make the same suggestion here.  It would eliminate all of the resident's objections listed above.  It would be almost as safe for bicyclists to ride in those wide lanes as in a striped bike lane (since cars will stop and block the bike lane even though it is illegal.  Two traffic lanes would mean slower traffic that is safer for everyone, including bicyclists.</p>
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