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	<title>Comments on: Pedestrian Safety: London Shows How NYC Can Do Better</title>
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		<title>By: Mario</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/09/pedestrian-safety-new-york-city-vs-london/comment-page-1/#comment-33263</link>
		<dc:creator>Mario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems if everyone is a little off base.  These numbers are by population, but why not by pedestrians?  Of the PEDESTRIANS in London and NYC, what is the PERCENTAGE that are involved in accidents?  The fact of the matter is that NYC has more pedestrians and therefore it makes sense there would be more pedestrians involved in accidents.  The only way to analyze is to know how many pedestrians there are in each city and then compare it to accidents.  

I am also a New Yorker and have been living in London for about 2 years and London appears to less sensitive to pedestrians than NY.  The crosswalks do not allow for enough time to cross the street, there are partitions and bars that restrict the area where pedestrians can cross, causing congestion, and the bicycle path is non-existent.  There are also areas of London where there is not a sidewalk at all, completely catering to an automobile-centric environment.  

To me, the London drive does not respect the pedestrian and perhaps the city should focus on policy that focuses on the pedestrian and teaching the driver that they belong on the streets as much as the automobile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems if everyone is a little off base.  These numbers are by population, but why not by pedestrians?  Of the PEDESTRIANS in London and NYC, what is the PERCENTAGE that are involved in accidents?  The fact of the matter is that NYC has more pedestrians and therefore it makes sense there would be more pedestrians involved in accidents.  The only way to analyze is to know how many pedestrians there are in each city and then compare it to accidents.  </p>
<p>I am also a New Yorker and have been living in London for about 2 years and London appears to less sensitive to pedestrians than NY.  The crosswalks do not allow for enough time to cross the street, there are partitions and bars that restrict the area where pedestrians can cross, causing congestion, and the bicycle path is non-existent.  There are also areas of London where there is not a sidewalk at all, completely catering to an automobile-centric environment.  </p>
<p>To me, the London drive does not respect the pedestrian and perhaps the city should focus on policy that focuses on the pedestrian and teaching the driver that they belong on the streets as much as the automobile.</p>
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		<title>By: will perrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>will perrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 20:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>here in london we even have a walking strategy - loads of resources at mayor ken&#039;s site here
http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/transport/walking.jsp

kai didn&#039;t quite get it right by law pedestrians have right of way at all times.  although cyclists sometimes ignore that......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here in london we even have a walking strategy - loads of resources at mayor ken's site here<br />
<a href="http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/transport/walking.jsp" rel="nofollow">http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/transport/walking.jsp</a></p>
<p>kai didn't quite get it right by law pedestrians have right of way at all times.  although cyclists sometimes ignore that......</p>
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		<title>By: Padraic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Padraic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 17:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic use of data!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic use of data!</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Barnett</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/09/pedestrian-safety-new-york-city-vs-london/comment-page-1/#comment-30832</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That must be coupled with significant pedestrian-only crossing times, otherwise no one would ever get across busy streets. In signaled NY crosswalks we&#039;re in constant conflict with turning drivers, forever having to enforce laws with our bodies. If the city wants to give me my very own fifteen seconds to cross the street instead of a death match with cars, I&#039;ll gladly make that trade. And crosswalks with no signals may as well be removed or become signalled, since drivers would rather run over us then obey them.

&quot;putting themselves into harm&#039;s way rather than placing the responsibility on the driver not to hit them when they step out into the street&quot;
Is stepping into the street in front of turning cars, with a walk sign, and a crosswalk, really so bad? If nothing else, I&#039;m for changing the laws (and getting some ped-only time) as you suggest just so I can stop defending against this dumb/distracted/law-abiding pedestrian stereotype.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That must be coupled with significant pedestrian-only crossing times, otherwise no one would ever get across busy streets. In signaled NY crosswalks we're in constant conflict with turning drivers, forever having to enforce laws with our bodies. If the city wants to give me my very own fifteen seconds to cross the street instead of a death match with cars, I'll gladly make that trade. And crosswalks with no signals may as well be removed or become signalled, since drivers would rather run over us then obey them.</p>
<p>"putting themselves into harm's way rather than placing the responsibility on the driver not to hit them when they step out into the street"<br />
Is stepping into the street in front of turning cars, with a walk sign, and a crosswalk, really so bad? If nothing else, I'm for changing the laws (and getting some ped-only time) as you suggest just so I can stop defending against this dumb/distracted/law-abiding pedestrian stereotype.</p>
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		<title>By: kai</title>
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		<dc:creator>kai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to point out a cultural difference as well.  

As someone who grew up in New York and has been living in London for the past 8 years, I would have assumed that pedestrians in NY were safer.

This is because autos have the right of way here in London.  If a car is coming, people get out of the way -- and to an American this seems more dangerous.

However, given the statistics I wonder if people in London have to be more aware of putting themselves into harm&#039;s way rather than placing the responsibility on the driver not to hit them when they step out into the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'd like to point out a cultural difference as well.  </p>
<p>As someone who grew up in New York and has been living in London for the past 8 years, I would have assumed that pedestrians in NY were safer.</p>
<p>This is because autos have the right of way here in London.  If a car is coming, people get out of the way -- and to an American this seems more dangerous.</p>
<p>However, given the statistics I wonder if people in London have to be more aware of putting themselves into harm's way rather than placing the responsibility on the driver not to hit them when they step out into the street.</p>
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		<title>By: Shin-pei</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shin-pei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 20:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A nifty tool for London pedestrians: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.walkit.com/index.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WalkIt&lt;/a&gt; let&#039;s you measure how many calories you burn, and how much you save in carbon emissions going from point A to point B on foot vs. by vehicle. How about getting them to do a New York version?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A nifty tool for London pedestrians: <a href="http://www.walkit.com/index.aspx" rel="nofollow">WalkIt</a> let's you measure how many calories you burn, and how much you save in carbon emissions going from point A to point B on foot vs. by vehicle. How about getting them to do a New York version?</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The piece makes it pretty clear that Livingstone clearly gets it when it comes to walking and sustainability. NYC is not going to get its own pedestrian injury numbers down much more until (and if) it follows suit. Interesting point not brought out here is the virtuous circle of congestion pricing&gt;less traffic&gt;more space for pedestrians&gt;fewer pedestrians hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The piece makes it pretty clear that Livingstone clearly gets it when it comes to walking and sustainability. NYC is not going to get its own pedestrian injury numbers down much more until (and if) it follows suit. Interesting point not brought out here is the virtuous circle of congestion pricing&gt;less traffic&gt;more space for pedestrians&gt;fewer pedestrians hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Orcutt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Orcutt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 18:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think advocates shouldn&#039;t get into the trap of treating this just as a numbers game.  Clearly NYC got its numbers down by focusing on a few really bad areas.  That&#039;s fine, but it leaves 99% of the city unaffected.  The big difference in approaches here is that London is trying to create good places to walk.  NYC is just responding to pressure and news articles that make city gov&#039;t look bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think advocates shouldn't get into the trap of treating this just as a numbers game.  Clearly NYC got its numbers down by focusing on a few really bad areas.  That's fine, but it leaves 99% of the city unaffected.  The big difference in approaches here is that London is trying to create good places to walk.  NYC is just responding to pressure and news articles that make city gov't look bad.</p>
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