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	<title>Comments on: Park Slope Passes on Traffic-Calming, Ped Safety &amp; Bike Lanes</title>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please take these comments on the London boroughs and write a larger SB piece on them. A system of competent, dynamic local governance is critical to creating a sustainable city of livable streets.

I&#039;m with you on London boroughs being a potentially good model for NYC. That means elected executives and borough councils for areas just a little bit bigger than our community boards. So Brooklyn would be divided into 10-12 &quot;small boroughs.&quot;  The existing borough would be scrapped except for the judicial system. At least for land use and transportation, our current system does not work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please take these comments on the London boroughs and write a larger SB piece on them. A system of competent, dynamic local governance is critical to creating a sustainable city of livable streets.</p>
<p>I'm with you on London boroughs being a potentially good model for NYC. That means elected executives and borough councils for areas just a little bit bigger than our community boards. So Brooklyn would be divided into 10-12 "small boroughs."  The existing borough would be scrapped except for the judicial system. At least for land use and transportation, our current system does not work.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Naparstek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Naparstek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>N. Pimby,

I hear you. In the current environment, it is hard to imagine how a community planning process could work. Hell, at this PSCC meeting the other night I, essentially played the role of DOT representative. Angry 9th Street residents were pointing at me and saying, &quot;This plan of yours!...&quot; I suppose it was some sort of karmic payback for helping to bring out 650 people to the &quot;One Way? No Way!&quot; meeting a few weeks ago. I&#039;ve been to enough community meetings to know how hard it is to deal with the &quot;community.&quot; 

There are really good precedents out there for productive community planning processes. First, take a look at how London is approaching its even more aggressive bike network build-out using this process called CRISP in which community stakeholders are brought together by city government and they actually all go out together and ride the proposed bike route:

http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/11/21/847/

Then look at the Context-Sensitive Solutions movement in the US:

http://www.contextsensitivesolutions.org/content/case_studies/

Or just look at the open source software movement. The best products are now being built not be top-down centralized command and control systems but systems that allow the users to help create the product:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar

Simply put, NYC is a huge city. There is no way one can expect a single centralized agency with limited resources to be able to take care of all of the miniscule details required to make a livable streets movement agenda work. DOT needs to get better at brining local stakeholders into the process. It&#039;ll create a better product.

That being said: I think we also need to have a major reform of the Community Board system in NYC. With their unelected life-time appointees and limited power, CB&#039;s often don&#039;t do a good job of representing the community. One of the things I noticed in London and Paris on recent trips was that their borough and arrondisement-level governments represent almost the exact same number of people as our community boards, between 160K and 220K (I should double-check those numbers). 

So while in Brooklyn 180,000 people have a staff of four and 50 unelected appointees representing them, over in the London Borough of Islington pretty much the same number of citizens have a City Hall, a mayor, an elected council, their own street sweeper machines, parking agents and parking permit revenue. 

The Imperial Mayor thing just isn&#039;t working very well for NYC in a lot of ways. We need more local accountability and control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>N. Pimby,</p>
<p>I hear you. In the current environment, it is hard to imagine how a community planning process could work. Hell, at this PSCC meeting the other night I, essentially played the role of DOT representative. Angry 9th Street residents were pointing at me and saying, "This plan of yours!..." I suppose it was some sort of karmic payback for helping to bring out 650 people to the "One Way? No Way!" meeting a few weeks ago. I've been to enough community meetings to know how hard it is to deal with the "community." </p>
<p>There are really good precedents out there for productive community planning processes. First, take a look at how London is approaching its even more aggressive bike network build-out using this process called CRISP in which community stakeholders are brought together by city government and they actually all go out together and ride the proposed bike route:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/11/21/847/" rel="nofollow">http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/11/21/847/</a></p>
<p>Then look at the Context-Sensitive Solutions movement in the US:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.contextsensitivesolutions.org/content/case_studies/" rel="nofollow">http://www.contextsensitivesolutions.org/content/case_studies/</a></p>
<p>Or just look at the open source software movement. The best products are now being built not be top-down centralized command and control systems but systems that allow the users to help create the product:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cathedral_and_the_Bazaar</a></p>
<p>Simply put, NYC is a huge city. There is no way one can expect a single centralized agency with limited resources to be able to take care of all of the miniscule details required to make a livable streets movement agenda work. DOT needs to get better at brining local stakeholders into the process. It'll create a better product.</p>
<p>That being said: I think we also need to have a major reform of the Community Board system in NYC. With their unelected life-time appointees and limited power, CB's often don't do a good job of representing the community. One of the things I noticed in London and Paris on recent trips was that their borough and arrondisement-level governments represent almost the exact same number of people as our community boards, between 160K and 220K (I should double-check those numbers). </p>
<p>So while in Brooklyn 180,000 people have a staff of four and 50 unelected appointees representing them, over in the London Borough of Islington pretty much the same number of citizens have a City Hall, a mayor, an elected council, their own street sweeper machines, parking agents and parking permit revenue. </p>
<p>The Imperial Mayor thing just isn't working very well for NYC in a lot of ways. We need more local accountability and control.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Aurbach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Aurbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try again: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smartgrowthonlineaudio.org/np2007/310d.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Another one&lt;/a&gt; by Dan Burden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try again: <a href="http://www.smartgrowthonlineaudio.org/np2007/310d.pdf" rel="nofollow">Another one</a> by Dan Burden.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Aurbach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Aurbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 13:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Faust is right. The DOT plan is not just about bicycle lanes, it&#039;s also about better conditions for drivers, pedestrians and local businesses. The redesign has improved safety  due to fewer conflict points, better visibility and shorter crossing distances for pedestrians. There is less speeding and more efficient traffic movement. The more pedestrian-friendly design can lead to more trade for local businesses.

Here&#039;s a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smartgrowthonlineaudio.org/np2007/310c.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pretty good presentation&lt;/a&gt; by traffic engineer Michael Ronkin that illustrates similar redesigns and the benefits. Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.smartgrowthonlineaudio.org/np2007/310c.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;another one&lt;/a&gt; by Dan Burden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Faust is right. The DOT plan is not just about bicycle lanes, it's also about better conditions for drivers, pedestrians and local businesses. The redesign has improved safety  due to fewer conflict points, better visibility and shorter crossing distances for pedestrians. There is less speeding and more efficient traffic movement. The more pedestrian-friendly design can lead to more trade for local businesses.</p>
<p>Here's a <a href="http://www.smartgrowthonlineaudio.org/np2007/310c.pdf" rel="nofollow">pretty good presentation</a> by traffic engineer Michael Ronkin that illustrates similar redesigns and the benefits. Here's <a href="http://www.smartgrowthonlineaudio.org/np2007/310c.pdf" rel="nofollow">another one</a> by Dan Burden.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Faust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Faust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 03:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re the DOT 9th St plan - I like it.  

DOT has included buffer space alongside the bike lanes.  The roadway lane allocations work with one vehicle lane each way, a 3 foot buffer in the center of the street and a dedicated left turn lane. Yes, drivers still need to watch for bicyclists and pedestrians when they turn, only there will be one less lane of oncoming traffic to distract them when they turn.  

This is not at all like the One-way No-way plan that a different unit of DOT tried to BS us with.  

DOT has used the latest thinking in multi-modal traffic planning on 9th St. This is state-of-the-art design to move everyone smoother, and though hard to believe, slow speeding motor vehicles, while getting traffic through the street quicker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re the DOT 9th St plan - I like it.  </p>
<p>DOT has included buffer space alongside the bike lanes.  The roadway lane allocations work with one vehicle lane each way, a 3 foot buffer in the center of the street and a dedicated left turn lane. Yes, drivers still need to watch for bicyclists and pedestrians when they turn, only there will be one less lane of oncoming traffic to distract them when they turn.  </p>
<p>This is not at all like the One-way No-way plan that a different unit of DOT tried to BS us with.  </p>
<p>DOT has used the latest thinking in multi-modal traffic planning on 9th St. This is state-of-the-art design to move everyone smoother, and though hard to believe, slow speeding motor vehicles, while getting traffic through the street quicker.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real issue is that cyclists are currently an extreme minority of trips even in eco-friendly Park Slope. While current street design is a major factor, politicians are not sensitive to the needs of future voters, but rather today&#039;s. 

We also tend to overestimate people&#039;s beliefs translating into direct action and underestimate the power of the human mind to rationalize their actions afterwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real issue is that cyclists are currently an extreme minority of trips even in eco-friendly Park Slope. While current street design is a major factor, politicians are not sensitive to the needs of future voters, but rather today's. </p>
<p>We also tend to overestimate people's beliefs translating into direct action and underestimate the power of the human mind to rationalize their actions afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolo Macchiavelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicolo Macchiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 01:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most cyclists in NYC are hungry Latin guys trying to save money to send home.  They won&#039;t be showing up at the Community Board meeting.  Environmentalists and people of conscious will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most cyclists in NYC are hungry Latin guys trying to save money to send home.  They won't be showing up at the Community Board meeting.  Environmentalists and people of conscious will.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I generally don&#039;t expect the Voice of Reason to use ad hominem arguments.

In the past year I think less than 5% of the cyclists I&#039;ve see are wearing skin-tight pants, and most of them were on Route 9W in NJ.  Certainly most of the bike-lane advocates I&#039;ve met haven&#039;t been wearing skin-tight pants.

The whole point of bike lanes is to make cycling safe for sissies and thus increase motorist familiarity with cyclists and swell the ranks of cycling supporters.  You might disagree with this strategy, but sissies are an integral part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I generally don't expect the Voice of Reason to use ad hominem arguments.</p>
<p>In the past year I think less than 5% of the cyclists I've see are wearing skin-tight pants, and most of them were on Route 9W in NJ.  Certainly most of the bike-lane advocates I've met haven't been wearing skin-tight pants.</p>
<p>The whole point of bike lanes is to make cycling safe for sissies and thus increase motorist familiarity with cyclists and swell the ranks of cycling supporters.  You might disagree with this strategy, but sissies are an integral part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: superstraightguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>superstraightguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 21:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VoiceOf&quot;Reason&quot; seems to need a big piece of metal and lots of lanes of asphault to feel like he&#039;s not &quot;sissy&quot;, I guess.  Is there some other department where you&#039;re lacking, Voice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VoiceOf"Reason" seems to need a big piece of metal and lots of lanes of asphault to feel like he's not "sissy", I guess.  Is there some other department where you're lacking, Voice?</p>
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		<title>By: cheeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 20:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can have my car lanes when you pry them from the cold, dead hands of someone else&#039;s child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can have my car lanes when you pry them from the cold, dead hands of someone else's child.</p>
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		<title>By: BorschtBelt</title>
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		<dc:creator>BorschtBelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 20:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VoiceOfReason sounds a lot like VoiceOfHistory.  I was expecting reason&#039;s voice to be as smooth and soulful as VoiceOfSustainability, not all whiny and intentionally dopey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VoiceOfReason sounds a lot like VoiceOfHistory.  I was expecting reason's voice to be as smooth and soulful as VoiceOfSustainability, not all whiny and intentionally dopey.</p>
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		<title>By: VoiceOfReason</title>
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		<dc:creator>VoiceOfReason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 14:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bike lanes, in general, have absolutely no place in New York city. If you want to ride your bike in NYC, decked out in your shiny helmet and skin tight pants, you do it like we did back in the bad old days: vying for space with all the other traffic.

I swear, this town gets more sissy by the minute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bike lanes, in general, have absolutely no place in New York city. If you want to ride your bike in NYC, decked out in your shiny helmet and skin tight pants, you do it like we did back in the bad old days: vying for space with all the other traffic.</p>
<p>I swear, this town gets more sissy by the minute.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Naparstek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Naparstek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 05:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed, Steve. DOT did say that it would install its 200 miles of bike lanes over Community Board objections.

The PSCC vote doesn&#039;t mean all that much necessarily. 

In fact, CB6&#039;s transportation committee voted to approve the project last Thursday by a margin of 4-2. Though, CB6 members will try to have that vote overturned at their full board meeting next Weds. 4/11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed, Steve. DOT did say that it would install its 200 miles of bike lanes over Community Board objections.</p>
<p>The PSCC vote doesn't mean all that much necessarily. </p>
<p>In fact, CB6's transportation committee voted to approve the project last Thursday by a margin of 4-2. Though, CB6 members will try to have that vote overturned at their full board meeting next Weds. 4/11.</p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 02:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democracy is lovely, but I had thought that DOT was shoving its 200 miles of bike lanes down the throats of dissenting communities. Is Park Slope somehow exempt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democracy is lovely, but I had thought that DOT was shoving its 200 miles of bike lanes down the throats of dissenting communities. Is Park Slope somehow exempt?</p>
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		<title>By: nimby pimby</title>
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		<dc:creator>nimby pimby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 22:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Note to DOT: I am sure that you could have won over most of this 9th Street crowd if you had included them in the planning process.&quot;

Do you realize what you&#039;re saying?  You want DOT to install more bike lanes but you want them to include the community in planning all of them?  Any idea how long that would take?  To get 200 miles in three years you can&#039;t have a three month planning process with the community for every lane.  

Also, any idea how much would be sacrificed to build a consensus?  You&#039;d end up with sharrows for every lane mile in the city!

And even if the &quot;community&quot; is included in the planning process who does that represent?  Not every neighbor is going to show up, only ones with a certain agenda.  What about all the other people who are affected but can&#039;t spend their time coming to bike lane planning meetings?  And what about people who don&#039;t live in the community but would use the bike lanes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"Note to DOT: I am sure that you could have won over most of this 9th Street crowd if you had included them in the planning process."</p>
<p>Do you realize what you're saying?  You want DOT to install more bike lanes but you want them to include the community in planning all of them?  Any idea how long that would take?  To get 200 miles in three years you can't have a three month planning process with the community for every lane.  </p>
<p>Also, any idea how much would be sacrificed to build a consensus?  You'd end up with sharrows for every lane mile in the city!</p>
<p>And even if the "community" is included in the planning process who does that represent?  Not every neighbor is going to show up, only ones with a certain agenda.  What about all the other people who are affected but can't spend their time coming to bike lane planning meetings?  And what about people who don't live in the community but would use the bike lanes?</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/06/if-you-cant-build-a-bike-lane-in-park-slope-then-where-can-you/comment-page-1/#comment-30569</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The parking insanity is citywide. This is a city in which religion is celebrated through parking holidays and privilege through placards. When it comes to parking, irrationality is embraced and heralded from City Council to the Slope Civic Council. 
  
New York motorist have met the enemy and it is them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The parking insanity is citywide. This is a city in which religion is celebrated through parking holidays and privilege through placards. When it comes to parking, irrationality is embraced and heralded from City Council to the Slope Civic Council. </p>
<p>New York motorist have met the enemy and it is them.</p>
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		<title>By: LocalGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/06/if-you-cant-build-a-bike-lane-in-park-slope-then-where-can-you/comment-page-1/#comment-30565</link>
		<dc:creator>LocalGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 12:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, another way of looking at it:
Stuff like this is bound to happen in a neighborhood built before everyone had cars. No driveways, plus way too many cars in PS, plus a hospital going 24/7, make this a place where parking insanity is the norm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, another way of looking at it:<br />
Stuff like this is bound to happen in a neighborhood built before everyone had cars. No driveways, plus way too many cars in PS, plus a hospital going 24/7, make this a place where parking insanity is the norm.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 11:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I face many of these issues in my area.

The problem is not an over sense of entitlement on anyone&#039;s behalf. We are all citizens and this is a democracy. 

It&#039;s that we have a process that encourages those most affect to express their views and come to meetings and for people to take extreme positions in community meetings like this with the only common denominator or compromise position be &quot;keep things as they are&quot;.

There needs to be more of a chance to take a sense of the larger community in a more thoughtful and collaborative way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I face many of these issues in my area.</p>
<p>The problem is not an over sense of entitlement on anyone's behalf. We are all citizens and this is a democracy. </p>
<p>It's that we have a process that encourages those most affect to express their views and come to meetings and for people to take extreme positions in community meetings like this with the only common denominator or compromise position be "keep things as they are".</p>
<p>There needs to be more of a chance to take a sense of the larger community in a more thoughtful and collaborative way.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolo Macchiavelli</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/06/if-you-cant-build-a-bike-lane-in-park-slope-then-where-can-you/comment-page-1/#comment-30561</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicolo Macchiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 01:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is really wrong with being entitled?  Am I missing something?  Civic minded people come out to participate in the politics of their community aren&#039;t all Americans similarly entitled?  Isn&#039;t that in the Constitution or the fine print on the Credit Card agreement or somewhere?  I know I read it somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is really wrong with being entitled?  Am I missing something?  Civic minded people come out to participate in the politics of their community aren't all Americans similarly entitled?  Isn't that in the Constitution or the fine print on the Credit Card agreement or somewhere?  I know I read it somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: d</title>
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		<dc:creator>d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Aaron.  I&#039;m tired of every Park Slope post resulting in someone criticizing the neighborhood&#039;s residents as entitled, simply because they voice an opinion.  Whether or not you agree with their actions, people in Park Slope are involved in their community, more so than in a lot of other neighborhoods.  Since when does caring about what happens in your neighborhood make you entitled?

If anyone seems entitled, it&#039;s car owners who simply must be allowed to double park, no matter where they live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm with Aaron.  I'm tired of every Park Slope post resulting in someone criticizing the neighborhood's residents as entitled, simply because they voice an opinion.  Whether or not you agree with their actions, people in Park Slope are involved in their community, more so than in a lot of other neighborhoods.  Since when does caring about what happens in your neighborhood make you entitled?</p>
<p>If anyone seems entitled, it's car owners who simply must be allowed to double park, no matter where they live.</p>
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