Comments on: Support Builds for Carbon Taxes Over “Cap and Trade” http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/05/support-builds-for-carbon-taxes-over-cap-and-trade/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:31:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: crzwdjk http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/05/support-builds-for-carbon-taxes-over-cap-and-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-30537 crzwdjk Fri, 06 Apr 2007 02:58:09 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/05/support-builds-for-carbon-taxes-over-cap-and-trade/#comment-30537 There are many kinds of pollution, and air pollution is merely one of the kinds that cars cause. There is also light pollution and noise pollution. Why not have a concept of space pollution? Cars and the suburban sprawl that they both allow and require are a waste of an increasingly limited resource: space. It is a pollution of the natural environment, a destruction of animals' habitats. We too are animals, and cities are our habitats, and cars are destroying our own urban environments, polluting our space. Cars that run on a cup of water a day would solve the air pollution problem, yes, but they would not solve the problem of space pollution. There are many kinds of pollution, and air pollution is merely one of the kinds that cars cause. There is also light pollution and noise pollution. Why not have a concept of space pollution? Cars and the suburban sprawl that they both allow and require are a waste of an increasingly limited resource: space. It is a pollution of the natural environment, a destruction of animals' habitats. We too are animals, and cities are our habitats, and cars are destroying our own urban environments, polluting our space. Cars that run on a cup of water a day would solve the air pollution problem, yes, but they would not solve the problem of space pollution.

]]> By: Charles Siegel http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/05/support-builds-for-carbon-taxes-over-cap-and-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-30533 Charles Siegel Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:33:50 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/05/support-builds-for-carbon-taxes-over-cap-and-trade/#comment-30533 Environmental Defense has also been willing to support new freeways, as long as they are tollways. They have focused on pricing policy so narrow-mindedly that they have been willing to back freeways that would clearly induce sprawl, for the sake of getting the right pricing policy. Currently, their big campaign is "Clean Cars." I wrote them saying that there are no clean cars - only cars that are less dirty than most - and that they are ligitimizing unlimited driving by saying that some cars are clean. Environmental Defense has also been willing to support new freeways, as long as they are tollways. They have focused on pricing policy so narrow-mindedly that they have been willing to back freeways that would clearly induce sprawl, for the sake of getting the right pricing policy.

Currently, their big campaign is "Clean Cars." I wrote them saying that there are no clean cars - only cars that are less dirty than most - and that they are ligitimizing unlimited driving by saying that some cars are clean.

]]> By: bernardo issel http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/05/support-builds-for-carbon-taxes-over-cap-and-trade/comment-page-1/#comment-30529 bernardo issel Thu, 05 Apr 2007 18:19:18 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/05/support-builds-for-carbon-taxes-over-cap-and-trade/#comment-30529 I have serious reservations regarding Environmental Defense. I acknowledge they have good people and have done much important work. However the group has adopted policies such as support of NAFTA and advocacy of utility deregulation coupled with generous bailouts for nuclear utilities that have placed the group at odds with many grassroots environmentalists. However these policies were in synch with the corporate interests represented amongst the group's board. In the past I've written critically about the group at http://www.NonprofitWatch.org. The website has been moribund for some time, but I hope to soon revive it soon and will draw attention to matters related to NYC. I have serious reservations regarding Environmental Defense. I acknowledge they have good people and have done much important work. However the group has adopted policies such as support of NAFTA and advocacy of utility deregulation coupled with generous bailouts for nuclear utilities that have placed the group at odds with many grassroots environmentalists. However these policies were in synch with the corporate interests represented amongst the group's board.

In the past I've written critically about the group at http://www.NonprofitWatch.org. The website has been moribund for some time, but I hope to soon revive it soon and will draw attention to matters related to NYC.

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