Comments on: Study: Sidewalks Can’t Handle Transit Traffic

By: Lawsuit

Lawsuit — Fri, 06 Apr 2007 13:34:20 +0000

It's time to start legally challenging the sub-junk "science" in these EIS'.

From the Sheridan to Atlantic Yards to ARC to the various upzonings, the traffic analysis do not withstand even superficial scrutiny.

By: Orcutt

Orcutt — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:21:11 +0000

We think city government was consulted in some of the NJ Transit look at the project's Manhattan implications. It has stuff in it that will look familiar to anyone reading city EIS' lately, like the clash between findings in the pedestrian chapter that there will be a lot more pedestrians and the findings in the traffic chapter that there will be a lot more cabs. The latter problem will be solved by "signal re-timing" ! Who do you think suggested that? And how does it work with getting more people through already failing cross-walks ?

By: SAJH

SAJH — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:40:03 +0000

Sidewalks on Broadway (where the photo was taken) on too narrow. Broadway is one of the most narrow "avenue" streets next to Lexington. I generally walk the curb and in the street due to too many people with differing walking priorities (shoppers, nice-day walkers, delivery people and flyer people). Of course I walk faster than most and am constantly battling cars for the cross streets and roadway edge. I'd say 40% of the cities car volume is taxi's. The other 20% are the commuters and pleasure riders from the burbs. there should be some balance with the number of cabs allowed on the streets at certain times of the day. Broadway should have wider sidewalks or even better, the entire length of Broadway from 59th street to Chambers street should be a bicycle, bus and pedisterian only street. No trucks or cars. That would help both the Penn station cattle drive and the soho shoppers and even the bargain 20s on Broadway (also crowded) and herald square.

By: Cloggish Town

Cloggish Town — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:33:29 +0000

Formerly Prince St, sounds like you're calling out 34th Street for a pedestrian congestion throw down.

You maybe be right about outright crowding in Soho, but more people walk in the street near Penn, despite the sidewalks being a lot wider on 7th than Bway and Prince. Both locations are absured.

How about a pedestrian congestion study that shows how much time/money is being lost to pedestrian crowding. It's got to be a lot since walking speeds are probably halved during peak times in the CBD. Wider sidealks are yet another arguement for congestion pricing of streets.

By: The street formerly known as Prince

The street formerly known as Prince — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 15:19:41 +0000

#3 :"That said, that's the only area (Penn Station) in New York that I've seen such intense pedestrian congestion."

You mustn't get out much.

For example, the photo here is not of 34th Street, but of Broadway between Prince&Spring. Now THAT is congestion, much worse than Penn Station. Or, almost as bad, as another poster noted: Canal Street.

All roads lead to Rome, and all subways lead to SoHo.

By: Angus Grieve-Smith

Angus Grieve-Smith — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:42:37 +0000

The commuters walking in the streets around Penn Station during rush hour are definitely a sight to behold, and the fact that they've been doing it for years without the sidewalks being widened is clear evidence of someone's priorities. That said, that's the only area in New York that I've seen such intense pedestrian congestion. Maybe it should be taken as an indication that 34th Street isn't the best place for the new tunnel to let people off? In an earlier stage of the process I know they considered other sites including Grand Central, and I believe 59th Street, and still chose to essentially send all those trains into Penn Station. Now, were the pedestrian impacts considered in deciding where to put the new terminus?

By: BorschtBelt

BorschtBelt — Thu, 05 Apr 2007 02:46:23 +0000

random - the EIS was done by NJTransit, not NYCDOT. But please continue to bash DOT, it's oh so satisfying.

By: random

random — Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:30:47 +0000

They needed a study to figure out that most of Manhattan and significant sections of Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx have major pedestrian congestion?

Does anyone at the NYC DOT ever just, you know, walk around this city? How about the mayor's office? Has the mayor tried walking on Canal Street recently? Does he know that the as always counter productive NYPD has taken to using ropes to pen in pedestrians in Herald Square in order to let more cars through during rush hour? A little overcrowding here and there would be fine if the city were otherwise a pedestrian haven -- little unobtrusive car and traffic, civilized bike lanes, and dynamic retail and residential streets. But instead we're still counting cars, moving cars, running from cars, being hit by cars, promoting cars, apologizing for cars, and generally being ruled by an outdated product. Sigh.