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	<title>Comments on: Pedestrian and Bike Improvements Coming to Grand Army Plaza</title>
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		<title>By: Geert</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/03/proposed-safety-improvements-at-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-30563</link>
		<dc:creator>Geert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 11:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For cars, it will solve nothing. 

You will still have 4 lanes of cars coming from the South East (through the Park and along. Flatbush). Those four lanes will be squished into 2 lanes in Flatbush. 

If both routes are really used at capacity, this can only mean traffic jam. The bottleneck is not the park, it is Flatbush. 

To eliminate this jam there are a few options: reducing Flatbush East and the Park both to one lane, or closing one of both streets. 
Alternatively, you could ban parking along Flatbush.

As the lane coming through the Park and the Flatbush East serve the same neighbourhoods, they do not really speed up the average traffic during rush hours, nor they make a difference during slow hours. To make GAP safe for cars and eliminate traffic jam. Closing the Park would be the best option for cars. Individual drivers might have the illusion they are faster, but the average car does not benefit fro the creation of bottlenecks and jams. 
Imagine the eastetic advantages on the map, and the simplification of the design (leading to more safety) when the traffic from the Park would stop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For cars, it will solve nothing. </p>
<p>You will still have 4 lanes of cars coming from the South East (through the Park and along. Flatbush). Those four lanes will be squished into 2 lanes in Flatbush. </p>
<p>If both routes are really used at capacity, this can only mean traffic jam. The bottleneck is not the park, it is Flatbush. </p>
<p>To eliminate this jam there are a few options: reducing Flatbush East and the Park both to one lane, or closing one of both streets.<br />
Alternatively, you could ban parking along Flatbush.</p>
<p>As the lane coming through the Park and the Flatbush East serve the same neighbourhoods, they do not really speed up the average traffic during rush hours, nor they make a difference during slow hours. To make GAP safe for cars and eliminate traffic jam. Closing the Park would be the best option for cars. Individual drivers might have the illusion they are faster, but the average car does not benefit fro the creation of bottlenecks and jams.<br />
Imagine the eastetic advantages on the map, and the simplification of the design (leading to more safety) when the traffic from the Park would stop.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/03/proposed-safety-improvements-at-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-30536</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 01:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a clear disconnect between the priorities of the community board and those of GAPCo, TA, Park Slope Neighbors and other organizations.  Which is closer to being representative of the &quot;true&quot; feelings of area residents?

Is the relative conservatism of the community board a worthwhile check on populist excesses, or an attempt to better reflect the power structure in the neighborhood and avoid situations where powerful groups are not given a proportionate say and extract revenge on politicians?

Is Markowitz adequately fulfilling his duty to represent the people of Brooklyn by appointing a community board that reflects the community?  If not, is there anything that can be done about this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There's a clear disconnect between the priorities of the community board and those of GAPCo, TA, Park Slope Neighbors and other organizations.  Which is closer to being representative of the "true" feelings of area residents?</p>
<p>Is the relative conservatism of the community board a worthwhile check on populist excesses, or an attempt to better reflect the power structure in the neighborhood and avoid situations where powerful groups are not given a proportionate say and extract revenge on politicians?</p>
<p>Is Markowitz adequately fulfilling his duty to represent the people of Brooklyn by appointing a community board that reflects the community?  If not, is there anything that can be done about this?</p>
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		<title>By: Geert</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/03/proposed-safety-improvements-at-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-30532</link>
		<dc:creator>Geert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 21:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems more of an aesthetic intervention than a rethink based on an analysis of mobility needs to me. 

A real plan for bicycling, guaranteeing safe passage from Prospect park to Central Park is what is needed. Remodeling Grand Army Plaza should be part of this. If this passage should exist, cycling becomes an alternative commute. 

In general, Brooklynites rely on public transport and less on cars for their mobility. They could rely on cycling. However Alternatives for cars are not feasible because cars kill all alternatives(bikes and so). In most places, the streets are more than wide enough to get safe bicycle lanes in both directions, even with a concrete border, if only the wrongly parked cars and bad irregular borders would be addressed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems more of an aesthetic intervention than a rethink based on an analysis of mobility needs to me. </p>
<p>A real plan for bicycling, guaranteeing safe passage from Prospect park to Central Park is what is needed. Remodeling Grand Army Plaza should be part of this. If this passage should exist, cycling becomes an alternative commute. </p>
<p>In general, Brooklynites rely on public transport and less on cars for their mobility. They could rely on cycling. However Alternatives for cars are not feasible because cars kill all alternatives(bikes and so). In most places, the streets are more than wide enough to get safe bicycle lanes in both directions, even with a concrete border, if only the wrongly parked cars and bad irregular borders would be addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: d</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/03/proposed-safety-improvements-at-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-30531</link>
		<dc:creator>d</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why should we forget about getting cars out of the park?</description>
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		<title>By: Matthew Kershaw</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/03/proposed-safety-improvements-at-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-30526</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Kershaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the proposed renovations. I am a bicyclist and motorcyclist and a driver and a pedestrian, and these changes work for all of my incarnations. Forget about getting cars out of the park, and removing more lanes than absolutely necessary ... this is one of the best circles in the country for all modes of transport, easy to get through with almost no history of fatal accidents. Far better than Columbus Circle, Dupont Circle in DC, etc etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the proposed renovations. I am a bicyclist and motorcyclist and a driver and a pedestrian, and these changes work for all of my incarnations. Forget about getting cars out of the park, and removing more lanes than absolutely necessary ... this is one of the best circles in the country for all modes of transport, easy to get through with almost no history of fatal accidents. Far better than Columbus Circle, Dupont Circle in DC, etc etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/03/proposed-safety-improvements-at-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-30512</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CM (#18) and Gary (#20), I don&#039;t think anyone&#039;s suggesting eliminating the ability to drive from Flatbush Avenue to Union Street or Prospect Park South.  The DOT plan proposes to eliminate a single &lt;i&gt;lane&lt;/i&gt; east of the arch, but not the entire roadway.

I could see that potentially making it take a little bit longer to get from Flatbush to destinations north and west, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s significant.

If it is significant, however, I can understand your frustration, but I feel that the benefits of increased safety and a more accessible, usable public space are more than worth it.  Any plaza with six lanes of traffic in each direction is going to be highly unpleasant for pedestrians, and it&#039;s just too much for that part of Brooklyn.

There are two good train lines that can take people from Flatbush to Park Slope, and that far out they&#039;re not particularly crowded.

BTW, the Arc de Triomphe in Paris does have pedestrian underpasses, and they&#039;re just as unpleasant as they sound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CM (#18) and Gary (#20), I don't think anyone's suggesting eliminating the ability to drive from Flatbush Avenue to Union Street or Prospect Park South.  The DOT plan proposes to eliminate a single <i>lane</i> east of the arch, but not the entire roadway.</p>
<p>I could see that potentially making it take a little bit longer to get from Flatbush to destinations north and west, but I don't think it's significant.</p>
<p>If it is significant, however, I can understand your frustration, but I feel that the benefits of increased safety and a more accessible, usable public space are more than worth it.  Any plaza with six lanes of traffic in each direction is going to be highly unpleasant for pedestrians, and it's just too much for that part of Brooklyn.</p>
<p>There are two good train lines that can take people from Flatbush to Park Slope, and that far out they're not particularly crowded.</p>
<p>BTW, the Arc de Triomphe in Paris does have pedestrian underpasses, and they're just as unpleasant as they sound.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/03/proposed-safety-improvements-at-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-30505</link>
		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 22:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron

Maybe you can tell us a little more about how close or far apart GAPCO and the community board are on GAP improvements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron</p>
<p>Maybe you can tell us a little more about how close or far apart GAPCO and the community board are on GAP improvements.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Naparstek</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/03/proposed-safety-improvements-at-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-30503</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Naparstek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boon,

I don&#039;t think the fountain/arch area could be all that much more deadened than it already is.

If the park were closed to cars and the space between arch and park were one contiguous plaza, immediately the weekend greenmarket would expand into the new public space. They are bursting and want more space. 

Likewise I imagine all kinds of new uses and activities would spring up around the arch and fountain if it were &quot;attached&quot; to the park and more accessible to the public.

I know gapco has referred to the arc de triomphe in the past but the arc is actually kind of a horrible traffic maelstrom as well. Probably not the best example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boon,</p>
<p>I don't think the fountain/arch area could be all that much more deadened than it already is.</p>
<p>If the park were closed to cars and the space between arch and park were one contiguous plaza, immediately the weekend greenmarket would expand into the new public space. They are bursting and want more space. </p>
<p>Likewise I imagine all kinds of new uses and activities would spring up around the arch and fountain if it were "attached" to the park and more accessible to the public.</p>
<p>I know gapco has referred to the arc de triomphe in the past but the arc is actually kind of a horrible traffic maelstrom as well. Probably not the best example.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/03/proposed-safety-improvements-at-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-30498</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note: I meant to say the PP exit into Grand Army Plaza.  That is what could be closed, could even still leave the entrance into the Park open from GAP (although would love to have that closed too of course.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note: I meant to say the PP exit into Grand Army Plaza.  That is what could be closed, could even still leave the entrance into the Park open from GAP (although would love to have that closed too of course.)</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/03/proposed-safety-improvements-at-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-30497</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like Charles idea alot, can we start a campaign to just close the Grand Army Plaza exit into the Park for the time being?  We all know the Park is going to be closed some day, why not do something now that continues the progress towards a car-free park and will allow  the money and investment being spent on all these improvements be spent the right way and not have to be re-done when the Park does get closed?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Charles idea alot, can we start a campaign to just close the Grand Army Plaza exit into the Park for the time being?  We all know the Park is going to be closed some day, why not do something now that continues the progress towards a car-free park and will allow  the money and investment being spent on all these improvements be spent the right way and not have to be re-done when the Park does get closed?</p>
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		<title>By: wheels</title>
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		<dc:creator>wheels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 19:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always approach &quot;The Vortex&quot; with caution. So many main arteries converging into the Grand Army traffic circle. It&#039;s not a Plaza. It&#039;s a traffic circle. While we in the design phase let&#039;s eliminate Flatbush Avenue, Eastern Parkway, Union Street and Vanderbilt Avenue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always approach "The Vortex" with caution. So many main arteries converging into the Grand Army traffic circle. It's not a Plaza. It's a traffic circle. While we in the design phase let's eliminate Flatbush Avenue, Eastern Parkway, Union Street and Vanderbilt Avenue.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Siegel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We could simplify traffic patterns at Grand Army Plaza and make more room for pedestrians, if we simply close this one Prospect Park entrance to cars.  

I am in favor of closing all of Prospect Park to cars, but I don&#039;t know if it is practical to do that as part of the planning to redesign Grand Army Plaza, since they are two different issues. It would be easier just to close one entrance to cars as part of the Grand Army Plaza planning</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could simplify traffic patterns at Grand Army Plaza and make more room for pedestrians, if we simply close this one Prospect Park entrance to cars.  </p>
<p>I am in favor of closing all of Prospect Park to cars, but I don't know if it is practical to do that as part of the planning to redesign Grand Army Plaza, since they are two different issues. It would be easier just to close one entrance to cars as part of the Grand Army Plaza planning</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/04/03/proposed-safety-improvements-at-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-30492</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I lived in Park Slope in the 1990s, TA gathered tons of signatures in support of closing Prospect Park to cars.  The DOT even suggested a trial closure, which was promptly attacked by the community boards and politicians from south and east of the park, and DOT backed down.

I don&#039;t know what the current situation is, can someone give us an update?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I lived in Park Slope in the 1990s, TA gathered tons of signatures in support of closing Prospect Park to cars.  The DOT even suggested a trial closure, which was promptly attacked by the community boards and politicians from south and east of the park, and DOT backed down.</p>
<p>I don't know what the current situation is, can someone give us an update?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Siegel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a mistake to have the landscaped island that divides Eastern Parkway into two where it meets Flatbush Ave.  

The westbound lane should be right next to the eastbound lane, so it meets Flatbush Ave. at a right angle. They should widen and landscape the sidewalk north of the street, instead of putting this landscaped island in the middle of the street (where the striped area is currently in the middle of the street). 

If Eastern Parkway contines to meet Flatbush at the same wide angle that it does today, traffic will continue to go as fast as it does today.  Making them meet at a right angle forces cars to slow down to make the turn. And pedestrians will benefit more from a widened sidewalk than from an island in the center of the street. 

The same is true of the southbound traffic on Flatbush Ave.  The traffic island gives them a wider turning radius and encourages them to speed.  Instead, move the southbound lane so it is next to the northbound lane, and give them a sharper turn that slows them down. 

This would also give more land to the plaza with the arch in the center of the street, so more people could use it. 

The model is Columbus Circle.  It used to have wide turning radiuses to speed up traffic.  Now it has tighter turning radiuses that slow traffic, and it has a larger, more usable plaza in the center of the street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a mistake to have the landscaped island that divides Eastern Parkway into two where it meets Flatbush Ave.  </p>
<p>The westbound lane should be right next to the eastbound lane, so it meets Flatbush Ave. at a right angle. They should widen and landscape the sidewalk north of the street, instead of putting this landscaped island in the middle of the street (where the striped area is currently in the middle of the street). </p>
<p>If Eastern Parkway contines to meet Flatbush at the same wide angle that it does today, traffic will continue to go as fast as it does today.  Making them meet at a right angle forces cars to slow down to make the turn. And pedestrians will benefit more from a widened sidewalk than from an island in the center of the street. </p>
<p>The same is true of the southbound traffic on Flatbush Ave.  The traffic island gives them a wider turning radius and encourages them to speed.  Instead, move the southbound lane so it is next to the northbound lane, and give them a sharper turn that slows them down. </p>
<p>This would also give more land to the plaza with the arch in the center of the street, so more people could use it. </p>
<p>The model is Columbus Circle.  It used to have wide turning radiuses to speed up traffic.  Now it has tighter turning radiuses that slow traffic, and it has a larger, more usable plaza in the center of the street.</p>
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		<title>By: l</title>
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		<dc:creator>l</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What can be done to get cars out of Prospect Park at all hours?</description>
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		<title>By: ly</title>
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		<dc:creator>ly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 15:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with PP who states that ending car traffic in Prospect Park should be an integral part of redesigning GAP.  Not to highjack the thread, but cars in the Park really make my blood boil!  Especially now that it&#039;s light in the early evening and more and more people are taking their exercise exactly when cars are allowed to drive through.  I simply cannot fathom why a shortcut for a relatively small number of automobile commuters takes precedence over cyclists, runners, walkers, skaters, etc etc etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with PP who states that ending car traffic in Prospect Park should be an integral part of redesigning GAP.  Not to highjack the thread, but cars in the Park really make my blood boil!  Especially now that it's light in the early evening and more and more people are taking their exercise exactly when cars are allowed to drive through.  I simply cannot fathom why a shortcut for a relatively small number of automobile commuters takes precedence over cyclists, runners, walkers, skaters, etc etc etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur with CM.  As a resident of PLG, I use the lanes east of the arch daily on my trips to NJ (through Manhattan) and also as a way of getting into and through Park Slope.  If they eliminate the lane that allows us to go around the arch and exit on Union Street and/or PPW it would just aggravate an already large problem of people needing to take a left into Park Slope from Flatbush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur with CM.  As a resident of PLG, I use the lanes east of the arch daily on my trips to NJ (through Manhattan) and also as a way of getting into and through Park Slope.  If they eliminate the lane that allows us to go around the arch and exit on Union Street and/or PPW it would just aggravate an already large problem of people needing to take a left into Park Slope from Flatbush.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 14:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amber (#13)thank you for the reality check about the community board&#039;s traffic flow first perspective. It&#039;s not a surprise but it&#039;s important. Why hasn&#039;t the GAPCO consensus building, and concern about pedestrians, had an effect on the community board? 

Across the city we see sharply different perspectives between civic groups, parents and activists on one side and the community boards on the other. As is the case at GAP, more often, the boards, which are referred to as the &quot;community&quot; by city agencies, seem to put a premium on the convenience of motorists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amber (#13)thank you for the reality check about the community board's traffic flow first perspective. It's not a surprise but it's important. Why hasn't the GAPCO consensus building, and concern about pedestrians, had an effect on the community board? </p>
<p>Across the city we see sharply different perspectives between civic groups, parents and activists on one side and the community boards on the other. As is the case at GAP, more often, the boards, which are referred to as the "community" by city agencies, seem to put a premium on the convenience of motorists.</p>
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		<title>By: cm</title>
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		<dc:creator>cm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am troubled by the suggestion to eliminate auto lanes east of the arch. Would this move have an adverse affect on the residents of Flatbush who use this byway to gain assess to and from areas north of the Plaza and Manhattan? During our tour of the arch, on March 10th, this was a concern voiced by our group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am troubled by the suggestion to eliminate auto lanes east of the arch. Would this move have an adverse affect on the residents of Flatbush who use this byway to gain assess to and from areas north of the Plaza and Manhattan? During our tour of the arch, on March 10th, this was a concern voiced by our group.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the diagram, it almost looks like northbound traffic is entering the plaza from Prospect Park West.  Could that be true?

A two-way PPW wouldn&#039;t make that much difference for pedestrians or autos, but it would be great if the B68 were extended to Grand Army Plaza in place of the less frequent B69.

Moreover, cyclists now have two southbound options, PPW and the park, but have a theoretical choice between circling the park and climbing the hill or riding on 8th Avenue northbound.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the diagram, it almost looks like northbound traffic is entering the plaza from Prospect Park West.  Could that be true?</p>
<p>A two-way PPW wouldn't make that much difference for pedestrians or autos, but it would be great if the B68 were extended to Grand Army Plaza in place of the less frequent B69.</p>
<p>Moreover, cyclists now have two southbound options, PPW and the park, but have a theoretical choice between circling the park and climbing the hill or riding on 8th Avenue northbound.</p>
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