Comments on: Vanderbilt Avenue: The Model for DOT’s 9th Street Proposal? http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: da http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-30702 da Wed, 11 Apr 2007 22:04:55 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/#comment-30702 Bob, Vanderbilt and 9th present exactly the same scenario to cars making a right turn. One travel lane in Vanderbilt, one travel lane in 9th St. The presence or absence of a bike lane would seem to be irrelevant. If anything, it seems easier to make a right turn on 9th since you can cut into the bike lane. In Vanderbilt, there are parked cars instead of a bike lane. Bob, Vanderbilt and 9th present exactly the same scenario to cars making a right turn. One travel lane in Vanderbilt, one travel lane in 9th St. The presence or absence of a bike lane would seem to be irrelevant. If anything, it seems easier to make a right turn on 9th since you can cut into the bike lane. In Vanderbilt, there are parked cars instead of a bike lane.

]]> By: Bob http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-30691 Bob Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:19:31 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/#comment-30691 I agree that this "might" work on Ninth St. But how can this be a good example, when there aren't two bike lanes also the way it's proposed on Ninth St. When a car will try to make a right on Ninth St. It will have to stay in the one lane of traffic so as not to block the bike lane. This will cause more problems than Prospect Park SW or the what was commented on re:Vanderbilt. Ninth sT. will have horns sounding & fumes for most of the length. Especially from the Cement Trucks, DOT asphalt trucks & oil trucks that use Ninth St. to go to/from Smith St. & Hamilton Ave. Bob I agree that this “might” work on Ninth St. But how can this be a good example, when there aren’t two bike lanes also the way it’s proposed on Ninth St. When a car will try to make a right on Ninth St. It will have to stay in the one lane of traffic so as not to block the bike lane. This will cause more problems than Prospect Park SW or the what was commented on re:Vanderbilt. Ninth sT. will have horns sounding & fumes for most of the length. Especially from the Cement Trucks, DOT asphalt trucks & oil trucks that use Ninth St. to go to/from Smith St. & Hamilton Ave.
Bob

]]> By: MD http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-30677 MD Wed, 11 Apr 2007 00:49:25 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/#comment-30677 I've noticed traffic being less backed up on Vanderbilt since the changes were implemented. I’ve noticed traffic being less backed up on Vanderbilt since the changes were implemented.

]]> By: BorschtBelt http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-30676 BorschtBelt Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:54:12 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/#comment-30676 okaaaayyy.. so on the one hand people want traffic calming and reduced dependence on cars.. on the other hand they don't want the flow of traffic to be affected. which one will it be? okaaaayyy.. so on the one hand people want traffic calming and reduced dependence on cars.. on the other hand they don’t want the flow of traffic to be affected. which one will it be?

]]> By: Charlie http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-30673 Charlie Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:15:40 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/#comment-30673 This approach is being used on Prospect Park Southwest. It is a total disaster. Check it out. Traffic is backed up from Park Circle to 11th Avenue. This approach is being used on Prospect Park Southwest. It is a total disaster. Check it out. Traffic is backed up from Park Circle to 11th Avenue.

]]> By: concerned http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-30668 concerned Tue, 10 Apr 2007 17:22:57 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/#comment-30668 has anyone considered the dramatic decrease in air quality that results from car exhaust on vanderbilt? the narrowing often backs up traffic to a crawl, increasing air pollution! has anyone considered the dramatic decrease in air quality that results from car exhaust on vanderbilt? the narrowing often backs up traffic to a crawl, increasing air pollution!

]]> By: boon doggle http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-30414 boon doggle Sun, 01 Apr 2007 14:49:37 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/#comment-30414 From what I hear the response to the Vanderbilt measures has been overwhelmingly positive from the community, and there have been no significant crashes. So, oiseau, keep "imagining" the carnage. From what I hear the response to the Vanderbilt measures has been overwhelmingly positive from the community, and there have been no significant crashes. So, oiseau, keep “imagining” the carnage.

]]> By: lee http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-30401 lee Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:20:38 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/#comment-30401 I drive vanderbilt almost every day. It is a nightmare at the intersections of Gates and Fulton, but I think that could be cleaned up with a few tweaks in signal timing. the other trouble spot is right where the two lanes neck down into one. There is a bus stop right there which is almost always blocked by illegal parkers or double parkers, which means the bus stops in a moving lane right where cars are trying to merge and no one can move for the duration of the stop. I drive vanderbilt almost every day.

It is a nightmare at the intersections of Gates and Fulton, but I think that could be cleaned up with a few tweaks in signal timing.

the other trouble spot is right where the two lanes neck down into one. There is a bus stop right there which is almost always blocked by illegal parkers or double parkers, which means the bus stops in a moving lane right where cars are trying to merge and no one can move for the duration of the stop.

]]> By: Angus Grieve-Smith http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-30395 Angus Grieve-Smith Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:54:25 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/#comment-30395 If that's all you can imagine, Oiseau, try expanding your horizons. Imagine that all the people who tried to drive down Vanderbilt during rush hours realized that it took too long and switched to the subway instead. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induced_demand" rel="nofollow">Induced demand</a> is real. I haven't seen Vanderbilt Avenue for years, so right now all we've got is dueling imaginations. If that’s all you can imagine, Oiseau, try expanding your horizons. Imagine that all the people who tried to drive down Vanderbilt during rush hours realized that it took too long and switched to the subway instead. Induced demand is real.

I haven’t seen Vanderbilt Avenue for years, so right now all we’ve got is dueling imaginations.

]]> By: oiseau http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-30388 oiseau Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:22:05 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/#comment-30388 Too bad you don't have pictures there of Vanderbilt Ave at the evening rush hour. I used to live on the street and the amount of cars was ridiculous and all you needed was one double-parked car and the whole thing went to hell. I don't live there anymore but I can only imagine the carnage with these so called "improvements". Too bad you don’t have pictures there of Vanderbilt Ave at the evening rush hour. I used to live on the street and the amount of cars was ridiculous and all you needed was one double-parked car and the whole thing went to hell. I don’t live there anymore but I can only imagine the carnage with these so called “improvements”.

]]> By: rlb http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-30355 rlb Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:36:27 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/#comment-30355 That's definitely an improvement for Vanderbilt, but wouldn't it be better to widen the sidewalks as opposed to adding a fifteen foot median? Adding five feet or so to both sidewalks would create an impressive pedestrian experience. That leaves five feet to work with for the turning bays, which could probably happen with a little tweaking of lane widths. Plus, without a median the opposing cars are closer to eachother which tends to result in slower speeds. Anybody know if there is a standard for lane widths? what it is? That’s definitely an improvement for Vanderbilt, but wouldn’t it be better to widen the sidewalks as opposed to adding a fifteen foot median?
Adding five feet or so to both sidewalks would create an impressive pedestrian experience. That leaves five feet to work with for the turning bays, which could probably happen with a little tweaking of lane widths.
Plus, without a median the opposing cars are closer to eachother which tends to result in slower speeds.
Anybody know if there is a standard for lane widths? what it is?

]]> By: Tom http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-30354 Tom Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:23:08 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/29/vanderbilt-avenue-the-model-for-dots-9th-street-proposal/#comment-30354 Those changes sure made the street look a lot more cheerful and sunny! Those changes sure made the street look a lot more cheerful and sunny!

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