Comments on: DOT Proposes Solution to Houston Street Cycling Danger http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Mon, 23 Nov 2009 05:31:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: John http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-2/#comment-30108 John Tue, 20 Mar 2007 23:02:11 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-30108 I sent the following e-mail message to Community Board 2, Transportation Alternatives and the DOT today: I am writing with regard to the Department of Transportation's proposal to put a bike lane on Prince and Bleecker Streets instead of on Houston Street. As a cyclist, I find that the Prince/Bleecker proposal is flawed for three reasons. First, it is circuitous. Second, the official NYC cycling map, which is printed and distributed by the DOT, clearly designates Houston Street as a proposed/planned bike route. Neither Bleecker nor Prince Streets are designated bike routes on that map. Because the DOT's map encourages cyclists to ride on Houston Street, I believe the DOT has a duty to put a bike lane on Houston and take steps to prevent additional fatalities and accidents on Houston. Third, a bike lane the entire length of Houston from the FDR to the West Side Highway would provide cyclists a clear shot all the way across Manhattan. Fourth, many cyclists will continue to ride on Houston Street even if the DOT creates bike lanes on Prince and Bleecker Streets. Thus, the DOT has an ongoing responsibility to make Houston Street a safer place to cycle. After studying the DOT plan and the CB2 bicycle subcommittee's proposal for a Class I bike lane, I would recommend a compromise. Instead of the DOT's proposal for Bleecker/Prince, a buffered bike lane similar to the one that presently exists on Eighth Avenue should be created in one eastbound lane and one westbound lane on Houston. In addition, the DOT could significantly enhance safety for both cyclists and pedestrians on Houston by reducing the number of intersections where left hand turns are permitted. Thank you for considering my suggestion. I sent the following e-mail message to Community Board 2, Transportation Alternatives and the DOT today:

I am writing with regard to the Department of Transportation's proposal to put
a bike lane on Prince and Bleecker Streets instead of on Houston Street.

As a cyclist, I find that the Prince/Bleecker proposal is flawed for three reasons.
First, it is circuitous. Second, the official NYC cycling map, which is printed
and distributed by the DOT, clearly designates Houston Street as a proposed/planned
bike route. Neither Bleecker nor Prince Streets are designated bike routes on that
map. Because the DOT's map encourages cyclists to ride on Houston Street, I
believe the DOT has a duty to put a bike lane on Houston and take steps to prevent
additional fatalities and accidents on Houston. Third, a bike lane the entire length
of Houston from the FDR to the West Side Highway would provide cyclists a clear
shot all the way across Manhattan. Fourth, many cyclists will continue to ride
on Houston Street even if the DOT creates bike lanes on Prince and Bleecker Streets.
Thus, the DOT has an ongoing responsibility to make Houston Street a safer place
to cycle.

After studying the DOT plan and the CB2 bicycle subcommittee's proposal for
a Class I bike lane, I would recommend a compromise. Instead of the DOT's proposal
for Bleecker/Prince, a buffered bike lane similar to the one that presently exists
on Eighth Avenue should be created in one eastbound lane and one westbound lane
on Houston. In addition, the DOT could significantly enhance safety for both cyclists
and pedestrians on Houston by reducing the number of intersections where left hand
turns are permitted.

Thank you for considering my suggestion.

]]> By: Don Norte http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-2/#comment-30063 Don Norte Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:45:27 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-30063 Cycling in any big city has its ups and downs. In California there is a Senate Bill being considered SB650 that would allow busses and trolleys the opportunity to add bike racks. Appealing and pro-transit oriented people say cool. The problem is that there has not been discusssion about traffic engineering. OK bored? Let me tell you why you should think about how extending the length of aa bus or trolley from 60-65 feet could be an inconvenience for the transit vehicles to navigate substandard streets with not enough width or radius to make the turn safely. Is anyone looking up from their cell phones long enough to realize more cars, especially driver's side rearview mirrors are being decapitated? Who wants to ride your bike if its going to mess it up. Lawyers in CA take note-"Is the MTA responsible or the bike owner?". Let's ask the Senators Padilla and Kuehl who introduced the concept. Cycling in any big city has its ups and downs.
In California there is a Senate Bill being considered SB650 that would allow busses and trolleys the opportunity to add bike racks.
Appealing and pro-transit oriented people say cool. The problem is that there has not been discusssion about traffic engineering. OK bored? Let me tell you why you should think about how extending the length of aa bus or trolley from 60-65 feet could be an inconvenience for the transit vehicles to navigate substandard streets with not enough width or radius to make the turn safely.
Is anyone looking up from their cell phones long enough to realize more cars, especially driver's side rearview mirrors are being decapitated? Who wants to ride your bike if its going to mess it up. Lawyers in CA take note-"Is the MTA responsible or the bike owner?". Let's ask the Senators Padilla and Kuehl who introduced the concept.

]]> By: moocow http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-2/#comment-30045 moocow Mon, 19 Mar 2007 01:01:59 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-30045 I rode friday. I have found in talking to people, that if you make cycling seem safer, i.e. bike lanes, or less cars that appear to be trying to kill you, they will ride. At least those are the excuses I hear. I rode friday.

I have found in talking to people, that if you make cycling seem safer, i.e. bike lanes, or less cars that appear to be trying to kill you, they will ride. At least those are the excuses I hear.

]]> By: Angus Grieve-Smith http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-2/#comment-30039 Angus Grieve-Smith Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:52:34 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-30039 "But peak hour trains are often packed, and people still drive into manhattan or brooklyn from that far out." True enough. But somehow <a href="http://www.antonnews.com/mineolaamerican/2007/03/02/news/thirdtrack.html" rel="nofollow">those people</a> and <a href="http://www.antonnews.com/floralparkdispatch/2007/01/12/news/thirdtrack.html" rel="nofollow">their</a> <a href="http://www.antonnews.com/illustratednews/2007/03/16/news/" rel="nofollow">neighbors</a> are still managing to block the LIRR's <a href="http://www.mta.info/mta/planning/mainline/" rel="nofollow">third track project</a>. Apparently they'd rather drive into Manhattan, since the DOT will accommodate their cars without question. "But peak hour trains are often packed, and people still drive into manhattan or brooklyn from that far out."

True enough. But somehow those people and their neighbors are still managing to block the LIRR's third track project. Apparently they'd rather drive into Manhattan, since the DOT will accommodate their cars without question.

]]> By: Christopher John http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-2/#comment-30038 Christopher John Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:45:20 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-30038 is it wrong to wanna chime in? i even want to shout!!! WE BIKE EVERYDAY!! these streets make me feel like a warrior for a rightous cause: "cleaner air, lower childhood asthma rates, less dependence on foreign oil, fewer greenhouse gas emissions, a more physically fit population that puts less stress on the city's public health system (see Copenhagen health stats), safer, more pleasant streets for walking, dining, recreating, whatever." it is however, disturbing to think the DOT will offer this "parallel routes" alternative to the CB's call for a Class I facility on Houston knowing it could be shot down and then DO NOTHING. the worst thing for this city would be the failure to BUILD CYCLING INFRASTRUCTURE. (sorry about the caps, i just want that statement to stand out). we must demand the infrastructure that will take us into a future with fewer cars, whether it be dedicated, car free bus rapid transit lanes, wider sidewalks, or cycle lanes. yes, if you build it, they will come. everyday the design of our streets, with the blessing of the NYPD, cater to motorists and eliminate cyclists. higher numbers of cyclist means safer streets. come on spring!! dust of those wheels!! see you in the street... is it wrong to wanna chime in? i even want to shout!!! WE BIKE EVERYDAY!!

these streets make me feel like a warrior for a rightous cause:
"cleaner air, lower childhood asthma rates, less dependence on foreign oil, fewer greenhouse gas emissions, a more physically fit population that puts less stress on the city's public health system (see Copenhagen health stats), safer, more pleasant streets for walking, dining, recreating, whatever."

it is however, disturbing to think the DOT will offer this "parallel routes" alternative to the CB's call for a Class I facility on Houston knowing it could be shot down and then DO NOTHING. the worst thing for this city would be the failure to BUILD CYCLING INFRASTRUCTURE. (sorry about the caps, i just want that statement to stand out). we must demand the infrastructure that will take us into a future with fewer cars, whether it be dedicated, car free bus rapid transit lanes, wider sidewalks, or cycle lanes. yes, if you build it, they will come. everyday the design of our streets, with the blessing of the NYPD, cater to motorists and eliminate cyclists. higher numbers of cyclist means safer streets. come on spring!! dust of those wheels!! see you in the street...

]]> By: lee http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-2/#comment-30036 lee Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:05:20 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-30036 I kinda just pulled mineola out of the air since I grew up in that area. It's true that there is great lirr access there and in many towns on LI. But peak hour trains are often packed, and people still drive into manhattan or brooklyn from that far out. I don't want to get so far afield on this topic. My main point is that decreasing the number of car trips into manhattan will probably do more for cyclist safety overall than a protected bike lane on houston st will. I kinda just pulled mineola out of the air since I grew up in that area. It's true that there is great lirr access there and in many towns on LI. But peak hour trains are often packed, and people still drive into manhattan or brooklyn from that far out.

I don't want to get so far afield on this topic. My main point is that decreasing the number of car trips into manhattan will probably do more for cyclist safety overall than a protected bike lane on houston st will.

]]> By: John http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-2/#comment-30014 John Sat, 17 Mar 2007 02:00:09 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-30014 In my experience, Karen is absolutely right about cycling as the fastest way to get around the city. I live in the East Village at Second and C, and I work in Chinatown at Centre and White. Some days I walk to work, some days I bike to work and other days I take the subway from Essex/Delancey to Canal Street. Comparing the amount of time it takes to travel from door to door by the various modes of transportation, biking is by far the quickest -- and most pleasant -- way for me to commute to work. In my experience, Karen is absolutely right about cycling as the fastest way to get around the city. I live in the East Village at Second and C, and I work in Chinatown at Centre and White. Some days I walk to work, some days I bike to work and other days I take the subway from Essex/Delancey to Canal Street. Comparing the amount of time it takes to travel from door to door by the various modes of transportation, biking is by far the quickest -- and most pleasant -- way for me to commute to work.

]]> By: karen http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-2/#comment-29997 karen Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:24:11 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-29997 This is a bit off topic, but I grew up in Mineola and could not resist commenting on Lee's comments above. It's weird to me that he chose Mineola as an example, because as a kid, growing up in the seventies, I don't remember anyone's dad (and there seemed to be more dads at the time commuting in to the city) driving into Manhattan. When you went into the city, you took the train. Mineola is a pretty quick direct commute into Manhattan. 35 to 40 minutes. (I can't speak for current trends, but that was my experience growing up. I imagine Lee was referring to Nassau county drivers in general and not that specific town, but of all the Nassau towns, Mineola is actually pretty well served by the LIRR.) Of course, when you went to visit your grandparents in Brooklyn, the family always drove. Otherwise you'd be travelling forever. The MTA/LIRR/MetroNorth all seem to work for commuting to/from Manhattan, but they start to fail people who are going from say Jackson Heights to Park Slope, Brooklyn or from Mineola to Williamsburg with a handful of kids. Interesting fact: if my dad were still working, he could leave the Mineola train station and catch the LIRR, commuting the 25 miles or so to Manhattan,(it could be more---I'm going by my bike odomoter from Mineola to Brooklyn--around 20miles) and he would get there in about the same time it currently takes me to commute from Brooklyn to midtown. (about 8 miles or so.) The trip (8 miles on the 4 train from Crown Heights, Brooklyn to 59th Street Manhattan) takes about the same time by subway as it does by bike-- 40 minutes, on average I'd say. If more people understood just how slow the subway is, or rather how quickly you can get around by bike by comparison, I think they'd lose their minds. Or get on a bike. Or move to Mineola. I don't see this selling point mentioned enough when people talk about biking in NYC. It's pretty fast. At least as fast as the subway is. This is a bit off topic, but I grew up in Mineola and could not resist commenting on Lee's comments above. It's weird to me that he chose Mineola as an example, because as a kid, growing up in the seventies, I don't remember anyone's dad (and there seemed to be more dads at the time commuting in to the city) driving into Manhattan. When you went into the city, you took the train. Mineola is a pretty quick direct commute into Manhattan. 35 to 40 minutes. (I can't speak for current trends, but that was my experience growing up. I imagine Lee was referring to Nassau county drivers in general and not that specific town, but of all the Nassau towns, Mineola is actually pretty well served by the LIRR.)

Of course, when you went to visit your grandparents in Brooklyn, the family always drove. Otherwise you'd be travelling forever. The MTA/LIRR/MetroNorth all seem to work for commuting to/from Manhattan, but they start to fail people who are going from say Jackson Heights to Park Slope, Brooklyn or from Mineola to Williamsburg with a handful of kids.

Interesting fact: if my dad were still working, he could leave the Mineola train station and catch the LIRR, commuting the 25 miles or so to Manhattan,(it could be more---I'm going by my bike odomoter from Mineola to Brooklyn--around 20miles) and he would get there in about the same time it currently takes me to commute from Brooklyn to midtown. (about 8 miles or so.) The trip (8 miles on the 4 train from Crown Heights, Brooklyn to 59th Street Manhattan) takes about the same time by subway as it does by bike-- 40 minutes, on average I'd say.

If more people understood just how slow the subway is, or rather how quickly you can get around by bike by comparison, I think they'd lose their minds.

Or get on a bike.

Or move to Mineola.

I don't see this selling point mentioned enough when people talk about biking in NYC. It's pretty fast. At least as fast as the subway is.

]]> By: da http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-2/#comment-29993 da Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:42:06 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-29993 Re: "echo chamber" Streetsblog isn't the echo chamber. Voice of sanity in the wilderness is more like it. To find the "echo chamber", walk out into the middle of any street in NYC. Re: "echo chamber"

Streetsblog isn't the echo chamber. Voice of sanity in the wilderness is more like it. To find the "echo chamber", walk out into the middle of any street in NYC.

]]> By: John http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-1/#comment-29989 John Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:52:03 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-29989 I saw two guys biking on Canal Street in the snow today, too! I saw two guys biking on Canal Street in the snow today, too!

]]> By: Angus Grieve-Smith http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-1/#comment-29981 Angus Grieve-Smith Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:52:12 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-29981 I saw several cyclists today, in Queens and in lower Manhattan. I'm sure Aaron would heartily welcome any and all 55-year-old white guys from Eastern Queens who support livable streets. I saw several cyclists today, in Queens and in lower Manhattan.

I'm sure Aaron would heartily welcome any and all 55-year-old white guys from Eastern Queens who support livable streets.

]]> By: Spud Spudly http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-1/#comment-29968 Spud Spudly Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:32:50 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-29968 Wrong on the demographic Davey. But this site could certainly use a few 55-year-old white guys from eastern Queens, because they live in this city too and their opinions should be considered. At least you acknowledge the lack of diversity. And it's good to know that other cities have been successful in crafting shared bike/bus lanes. But I have to ask: Anyone biking today??? Wrong on the demographic Davey. But this site could certainly use a few 55-year-old white guys from eastern Queens, because they live in this city too and their opinions should be considered. At least you acknowledge the lack of diversity.

And it's good to know that other cities have been successful in crafting shared bike/bus lanes. But I have to ask:

Anyone biking today???

]]> By: Boon Doggle http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-1/#comment-29958 Boon Doggle Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:55:22 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-29958 Not to mention the Street Grid and Central Park. Well, lee, if you were at either of Doctoroff's presentations yesterday it sure seems that such a fee will be proposed in the very near future.. April, perhaps? Not to mention the Street Grid and Central Park. Well, lee, if you were at either of Doctoroff's presentations yesterday it sure seems that such a fee will be proposed in the very near future.. April, perhaps?

]]> By: David http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-1/#comment-29952 David Fri, 16 Mar 2007 03:44:41 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-29952 Well, NYC's city fathers 100 years ago spent a whole lot of money building a subway before there were any subway riders, right? Well, NYC's city fathers 100 years ago spent a whole lot of money building a subway before there were any subway riders, right?

]]> By: lee http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-1/#comment-29945 lee Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:40:03 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-29945 The thing is this single instance of installing a bike lane won't make much of a difference citywide. It has to be part of a larger plan. Gaining public acceptance of bike lanes is in a sort of catch 22 - Which comes first, the biker or the bike lane? There might be an increase in bicyclists once new lanes are created but those people might not know that they will become cyclists, so it does not surprise me that many people think that devoting public space to better cycling facilities is catering to an invisible constituency. The first goal has to be to reduce the number of automobiles driving in to manahttan from Queens, bklyn and LI. Bike lanes won't do that as well as better mass transit options would. Maybe if there were some kind of fee associated with causing traffic, hmmm. The thing is this single instance of installing a bike lane won't make much of a difference citywide. It has to be part of a larger plan.

Gaining public acceptance of bike lanes is in a sort of catch 22 - Which comes first, the biker or the bike lane? There might be an increase in bicyclists once new lanes are created but those people might not know that they will become cyclists, so it does not surprise me that many people think that devoting public space to better cycling facilities is catering to an invisible constituency.

The first goal has to be to reduce the number of automobiles driving in to manahttan from Queens, bklyn and LI. Bike lanes won't do that as well as better mass transit options would. Maybe if there were some kind of fee associated with causing traffic, hmmm.

]]> By: John http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-1/#comment-29944 John Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:57:38 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-29944 I can attest that a dedicated bus lane shared with bicycles already exists in at least one major metropolitan area in the United States. It's on Chestnut Street in Center City Philadelphia. I used it all the time when I lived in Philly. I can attest that a dedicated bus lane shared with bicycles already exists in at least one major metropolitan area in the United States. It's on Chestnut Street in Center City Philadelphia. I used it all the time when I lived in Philly.

]]> By: Angus Grieve-Smith http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-1/#comment-29943 Angus Grieve-Smith Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:22:55 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-29943 I've commuted to work by bike in the cold and the rain, even snow. I've seen other people doing it. I could imagine that there are plenty of people out there using the bike lanes. Since you imagine it one way and I imagine it another way, the only way to decide who's right is by data, which you don't have, Spud. Maybe you'd get less snide reactions if you didn't scream things like "PEOPLE DON'T BIKE!" I've commuted to work by bike in the cold and the rain, even snow. I've seen other people doing it. I could imagine that there are plenty of people out there using the bike lanes. Since you imagine it one way and I imagine it another way, the only way to decide who's right is by data, which you don't have, Spud.

Maybe you'd get less snide reactions if you didn't scream things like "PEOPLE DON'T BIKE!"

]]> By: David http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-1/#comment-29942 David Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:14:44 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-29942 Sorry, Spud. That was a bit ad hominem of me, the creativity/flexibility crack. Totally unnecessary. I appreciate your contributions here as we clearly don't have very many 55-year-old white men from Eastern Queens participating on Streetsblog. I assume that's your demographic. But you are wrong about the zero sum game thing. Again -- Paris is doing it and London a little bit too. Dedicated bus lanes can be shared with bikes. I could even see that working on a road like Houston Street. Two modes sharing the same street space, not one pushing out the other. Likewise, if Times Square were redesigned for greater flexibility, at some times of day and year, curbside lanes could be pedestrian space. Other times of day and year those lanes could be bus or traffic space. The parcelling out of street space really doesn't have to be a zero sum game. Sorry, Spud. That was a bit ad hominem of me, the creativity/flexibility crack. Totally unnecessary. I appreciate your contributions here as we clearly don't have very many 55-year-old white men from Eastern Queens participating on Streetsblog. I assume that's your demographic.

But you are wrong about the zero sum game thing. Again -- Paris is doing it and London a little bit too. Dedicated bus lanes can be shared with bikes. I could even see that working on a road like Houston Street. Two modes sharing the same street space, not one pushing out the other.

Likewise, if Times Square were redesigned for greater flexibility, at some times of day and year, curbside lanes could be pedestrian space. Other times of day and year those lanes could be bus or traffic space.

The parcelling out of street space really doesn't have to be a zero sum game.

]]> By: Spud Spudly http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-1/#comment-29941 Spud Spudly Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:05:36 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-29941 Yeah, tolerated with snide insults just for expressing a different opinion. Yeah, tolerated with snide insults just for expressing a different opinion.

]]> By: John http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/comment-page-1/#comment-29940 John Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:53:33 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/03/12/dot-proposes-solution-to-houston-street-cycling-dangers/#comment-29940 I can only speak for myself, but I'll be riding home from my job in Civil Court to my home in the East Village today in my raingear using the bike lanes on Lafayette Streets, Tenth Street and Avenue C. I can only speak for myself, but I'll be riding home from my job in Civil Court to my home in the East Village today in my raingear using the bike lanes on Lafayette Streets, Tenth Street and Avenue C.

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