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	<title>Comments on: A Weekend Subway Ride With Robert Moses</title>
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		<title>By: Roxanne Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/26/a-weekend-subway-ride-with-robert-moses/comment-page-1/#comment-30464</link>
		<dc:creator>Roxanne Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New York Transit Museum in Brooklyn Heights also has a wonderful exhibition on the Triborough Bridge, the first bridge built by Robert Moses. 

THE TRIBOROUGH BRIDGE: ROBERT MOSES AND THE AUTOMOBILE AGE
Exhibition continues through 2008
New York Transit Museum, Brooklyn Heights

Robert Moses has become a mythic figure in the public memory. To some he was a man who could get things done, building bridges, beaches, playgrounds and parks. To others he was the destroyer of neighborhoods evicting families and bulldozing homes to make way for highways. Nearly four decades have passed since the Moses reign came to an end yet his name is still frequently invoked in urban planning debate. Mega projects like the Atlantic Yards, ideas that canâ€™t get off the drawing board like Brooklyn Bridge Park, and the slow progress of the rebuilding efforts at the World Trade Center site are compared and contrasted to his legacy. Historians have become interested in re-evaluating him with several new museum exhibitions taking on the subject. â€œRobert Moses and the Modern City,â€ is being presented by the Museum of the City of New York, Columbia University and the Queens Museum of Art. Further insight into Robert Moses relating to his role in regional transportation can be found at the New York Transit Museum.  The Triborough Bridge: Robert Moses and the Automobile Age was organized to commemorate the 70th Anniversary of the Triborough Bridge in collaboration with MTA Bridges and Tunnels Special Archives.   

Under the direction of Robert Moses the Triborough Bridge Authority evolved into the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority, which has built every major vehicular bridge and tunnel within the city since 1936. He ran the Authority from 1934 until 1968, during which time he also headed the agencies that built most of the traffic arteries that these bridges and tunnels link. In 1968 Moses was ousted from his position when the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, created by Governor Nelson Rockefeller, absorbed the Triborough Authority allowing lucrative bridge tolls to help subsidize the cityâ€™s public transportation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York Transit Museum in Brooklyn Heights also has a wonderful exhibition on the Triborough Bridge, the first bridge built by Robert Moses. </p>
<p>THE TRIBOROUGH BRIDGE: ROBERT MOSES AND THE AUTOMOBILE AGE<br />
Exhibition continues through 2008<br />
New York Transit Museum, Brooklyn Heights</p>
<p>Robert Moses has become a mythic figure in the public memory. To some he was a man who could get things done, building bridges, beaches, playgrounds and parks. To others he was the destroyer of neighborhoods evicting families and bulldozing homes to make way for highways. Nearly four decades have passed since the Moses reign came to an end yet his name is still frequently invoked in urban planning debate. Mega projects like the Atlantic Yards, ideas that canâ€™t get off the drawing board like Brooklyn Bridge Park, and the slow progress of the rebuilding efforts at the World Trade Center site are compared and contrasted to his legacy. Historians have become interested in re-evaluating him with several new museum exhibitions taking on the subject. â€œRobert Moses and the Modern City,â€ is being presented by the Museum of the City of New York, Columbia University and the Queens Museum of Art. Further insight into Robert Moses relating to his role in regional transportation can be found at the New York Transit Museum.  The Triborough Bridge: Robert Moses and the Automobile Age was organized to commemorate the 70th Anniversary of the Triborough Bridge in collaboration with MTA Bridges and Tunnels Special Archives.   </p>
<p>Under the direction of Robert Moses the Triborough Bridge Authority evolved into the Triborough Bridge and Tunnel Authority, which has built every major vehicular bridge and tunnel within the city since 1936. He ran the Authority from 1934 until 1968, during which time he also headed the agencies that built most of the traffic arteries that these bridges and tunnels link. In 1968 Moses was ousted from his position when the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, created by Governor Nelson Rockefeller, absorbed the Triborough Authority allowing lucrative bridge tolls to help subsidize the cityâ€™s public transportation.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/26/a-weekend-subway-ride-with-robert-moses/comment-page-1/#comment-29461</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely.  Moses could have chosen to build the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nycsubway.org/articles/indsecond.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Second Independent Subway System&lt;/a&gt; instead of the highways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely.  Moses could have chosen to build the <a href="http://www.nycsubway.org/articles/indsecond.html" rel="nofollow">Second Independent Subway System</a> instead of the highways.</p>
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		<title>By: serial catowner</title>
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		<dc:creator>serial catowner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moses was also an architect of those &quot;national trends&quot; that supposedly acted upon him.  He was paid by GM to write books and articles extolling freeways and automobiles.

As for the idea that he was only carrying out pre-existing plans, every city has filing cabinets full of big plans.  The question is which plan gets carried out.

If experience is any guide Moses also used illegal tactics to get what he wanted.  That&#039;s what the highway builders did in my state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moses was also an architect of those &#8220;national trends&#8221; that supposedly acted upon him.  He was paid by GM to write books and articles extolling freeways and automobiles.</p>
<p>As for the idea that he was only carrying out pre-existing plans, every city has filing cabinets full of big plans.  The question is which plan gets carried out.</p>
<p>If experience is any guide Moses also used illegal tactics to get what he wanted.  That&#8217;s what the highway builders did in my state.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/26/a-weekend-subway-ride-with-robert-moses/comment-page-1/#comment-29436</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 20:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven, I think that&#039;s the only real valid criticism of &lt;i&gt;The Power Broker&lt;/i&gt; that I&#039;ve read.  Bob Fitch argues along these lines in his excellent book &lt;a href=&quot;http://leopac1.nypl.org/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=B1726944D240E.9646&amp;profile=dial--3&amp;uri=full%3D1100001%7E%21347884%7E%211&amp;ri=3&amp;index=NL&amp;uindex=&amp;aspect=basic&amp;menu=search&amp;ri=3&amp;view=LIBRARY_JOURNAL_REVIEW&amp;aspect=basic&amp;menu=search&amp;source=~!dial&amp;enhancedcontentdata=true%0A%09%09&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Assassination of New York&lt;/a&gt;, as summarized in &lt;a href=&quot;http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1132/is_n3_v46/ai_15608012&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this review&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;Fitch, however, believes that the bureaucratic arrogance of Moses made it easy for critics such as Caro to exaggerate the importance of New York&#039;s master builder in reshaping the metropolitan area. &quot;The scapegoat for two decades of planning failures,&quot; he &quot;simply poured the concrete on the dotted lines&quot; of the earlier plans.&quot;

Fitch points out that almost all the changes that Moses made were outlined in the 1929 and 1968 Regional Plans, put out by those folks at the Regional Plan Association who are now our friends and in favor of transit.

That critique is valid, but limited.  Moses &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; a &quot;great man,&quot; because he accomplished so much, against the resistance of many elected officials and in violation of democratic principles.  Without him, the Rockefellers might only have been able to build half as many highways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven, I think that&#8217;s the only real valid criticism of <i>The Power Broker</i> that I&#8217;ve read.  Bob Fitch argues along these lines in his excellent book <a href="http://leopac1.nypl.org/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=B1726944D240E.9646&amp;profile=dial--3&amp;uri=full%3D1100001%7E%21347884%7E%211&amp;ri=3&amp;index=NL&amp;uindex=&amp;aspect=basic&amp;menu=search&amp;ri=3&amp;view=LIBRARY_JOURNAL_REVIEW&amp;aspect=basic&amp;menu=search&amp;source=~!dial&amp;enhancedcontentdata=true%0A%09%09" rel="nofollow">The Assassination of New York</a>, as summarized in <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1132/is_n3_v46/ai_15608012" rel="nofollow">this review</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;Fitch, however, believes that the bureaucratic arrogance of Moses made it easy for critics such as Caro to exaggerate the importance of New York&#8217;s master builder in reshaping the metropolitan area. &#8220;The scapegoat for two decades of planning failures,&#8221; he &#8220;simply poured the concrete on the dotted lines&#8221; of the earlier plans.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fitch points out that almost all the changes that Moses made were outlined in the 1929 and 1968 Regional Plans, put out by those folks at the Regional Plan Association who are now our friends and in favor of transit.</p>
<p>That critique is valid, but limited.  Moses <i>was</i> a &#8220;great man,&#8221; because he accomplished so much, against the resistance of many elected officials and in violation of democratic principles.  Without him, the Rockefellers might only have been able to build half as many highways.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Levine</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/26/a-weekend-subway-ride-with-robert-moses/comment-page-1/#comment-29401</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Levine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caro&#039;s The Power Broker is a great book, but it is unbalanced becuase it adheres to the great man theory in history.  Caro makes Moses all powerful.  Is New York the only city to have built highways through the center of cities, disinvested in mass transit or used Title I to displace the poor?  These were national trends driven by federal policy.  Moses was unique in his power, but his policies were not out of step with what was going on nationally.

P.S.  New York&#039;s public housing is notably better than any other high rise public housing in the nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caro&#8217;s The Power Broker is a great book, but it is unbalanced becuase it adheres to the great man theory in history.  Caro makes Moses all powerful.  Is New York the only city to have built highways through the center of cities, disinvested in mass transit or used Title I to displace the poor?  These were national trends driven by federal policy.  Moses was unique in his power, but his policies were not out of step with what was going on nationally.</p>
<p>P.S.  New York&#8217;s public housing is notably better than any other high rise public housing in the nation.</p>
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		<title>By: crzwdjk</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/26/a-weekend-subway-ride-with-robert-moses/comment-page-1/#comment-29362</link>
		<dc:creator>crzwdjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;How do you travel between Boston and Pittsburg without the Cross Bronx Expressway?&quot;
Take the 76 to the 81 to the 84 to the Mass Pike, bypassing New York entirely. There are also peripheral routes such as the 287, which allow traffic to bypass the urban core. There&#039;s absolutely no reason for major intercity expressways to pass through the centers of major cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;How do you travel between Boston and Pittsburg without the Cross Bronx Expressway?&#8221;<br />
Take the 76 to the 81 to the 84 to the Mass Pike, bypassing New York entirely. There are also peripheral routes such as the 287, which allow traffic to bypass the urban core. There&#8217;s absolutely no reason for major intercity expressways to pass through the centers of major cities.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Siegel</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/26/a-weekend-subway-ride-with-robert-moses/comment-page-1/#comment-29346</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And how do you travel between Brooklyn and New Jersey without a Cross Manhattan Expressway?

Somehow, people manage to do it, even though Moses&#039; cross-manhattan expressways were stopped, just as people manage to travel between the Golden Gate Bridge and the Bay Bridge even though the Embarcadero Freeway was stopped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And how do you travel between Brooklyn and New Jersey without a Cross Manhattan Expressway?</p>
<p>Somehow, people manage to do it, even though Moses&#8217; cross-manhattan expressways were stopped, just as people manage to travel between the Golden Gate Bridge and the Bay Bridge even though the Embarcadero Freeway was stopped.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/26/a-weekend-subway-ride-with-robert-moses/comment-page-1/#comment-29342</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 20:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is disappointing from Ken Jackson.  How do you travel between Boston and Pittsburgh without the Three Rivers?  How do you send freight between the two cities without the Cross-Harbor tunnel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is disappointing from Ken Jackson.  How do you travel between Boston and Pittsburgh without the Three Rivers?  How do you send freight between the two cities without the Cross-Harbor tunnel?</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Siegel</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/26/a-weekend-subway-ride-with-robert-moses/comment-page-1/#comment-29340</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admire _Crabgrass Frontier_, and I sometimes quote from it, so I was also surprised when I read these statements from Kenneth Jackson in _Columbia_ magazine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admire _Crabgrass Frontier_, and I sometimes quote from it, so I was also surprised when I read these statements from Kenneth Jackson in _Columbia_ magazine.</p>
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		<title>By: Gizler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gizler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most noxious to me is the suggestion in a lot of the reporting about these new exhibits is that Caro&#039;s work is somehow unbalanced. In fact, it is very balanced. He gives Moses full credit for his early accomplishments - the parks, Jones Beach, etc. Then he quite properly does a thorough job of dissecting all of the devastation he wrought in the second half or two thirds of his career. And there should be no attempt at rehabilitation of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most noxious to me is the suggestion in a lot of the reporting about these new exhibits is that Caro&#8217;s work is somehow unbalanced. In fact, it is very balanced. He gives Moses full credit for his early accomplishments &#8211; the parks, Jones Beach, etc. Then he quite properly does a thorough job of dissecting all of the devastation he wrought in the second half or two thirds of his career. And there should be no attempt at rehabilitation of that.</p>
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		<title>By: AD</title>
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		<dc:creator>AD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles, I&#039;m surprised to hear that about the man who wrote Crabgrass Frontier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles, I&#8217;m surprised to hear that about the man who wrote Crabgrass Frontier.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And you know Rohit Aggarwala, the guy who is heading up the Mayor&#039;s new office of long-term sustainability is a big Ken Jackson acolyte. Interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And you know Rohit Aggarwala, the guy who is heading up the Mayor&#8217;s new office of long-term sustainability is a big Ken Jackson acolyte. Interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Siegel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Columbia University professor Kenneth Jackson is writing the book based on these exhibits and, at least to some extent, he seems to have inspired the exhibits. 

Jackson goes further in celebrating Moses than the exhibits themselves.  

For example, he has said that Moses housing projects made New York a better place.  (Does he think New York would be even better if Moses had succeeded in demolishing West Greenwich Village and replacing it with a housing project?)  

He has even defended the Cross-Bronx Expressway: &quot;How do you travel between Boston and Pittsburg without the Cross Bronx Expressway? You have to move laterally at some point.&quot; (quoted in _Columbia_ magazine, Winter 2006-2007, p. 37).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Columbia University professor Kenneth Jackson is writing the book based on these exhibits and, at least to some extent, he seems to have inspired the exhibits. </p>
<p>Jackson goes further in celebrating Moses than the exhibits themselves.  </p>
<p>For example, he has said that Moses housing projects made New York a better place.  (Does he think New York would be even better if Moses had succeeded in demolishing West Greenwich Village and replacing it with a housing project?)  </p>
<p>He has even defended the Cross-Bronx Expressway: &#8220;How do you travel between Boston and Pittsburg without the Cross Bronx Expressway? You have to move laterally at some point.&#8221; (quoted in _Columbia_ magazine, Winter 2006-2007, p. 37).</p>
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		<title>By: mfs</title>
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		<dc:creator>mfs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>having seen a couple of the exhibits, the recreation exhibit at the Queens Museum is kind of celebratory (and I overheard one of the curators giving a tour said he wanted to bust a lot of the &#039;Moses myths&#039;).  The general exhibit at the Museum of the City of NY is much more even-handed and talks much more about the downsides of his projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>having seen a couple of the exhibits, the recreation exhibit at the Queens Museum is kind of celebratory (and I overheard one of the curators giving a tour said he wanted to bust a lot of the &#8216;Moses myths&#8217;).  The general exhibit at the Museum of the City of NY is much more even-handed and talks much more about the downsides of his projects.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Kabak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Kabak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think these museum exhibits are celebrating Bob Moses, per se. Rather, they&#039;re examining his legacy yet again. While there&#039;s been some revisionist history in regards to Moses&#039; legacy, &quot;celebrating&quot; is quite a strong word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think these museum exhibits are celebrating Bob Moses, per se. Rather, they&#8217;re examining his legacy yet again. While there&#8217;s been some revisionist history in regards to Moses&#8217; legacy, &#8220;celebrating&#8221; is quite a strong word.</p>
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