Comments on: The New Jane Jacobs vs. the New Robert Moses? http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/21/the-new-jane-jacobs-vs-the-new-robert-moses/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: james chase http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/21/the-new-jane-jacobs-vs-the-new-robert-moses/comment-page-1/#comment-29512 james chase Fri, 02 Mar 2007 02:36:42 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/21/the-new-jane-jacobs-vs-the-new-robert-moses/#comment-29512 Majora Carter's performance at Moses rehabilitation panel at the Museum of the City of NY on FEB 1 was so hotly recieved that the Museum has given her a solo presentation on MARCH 15, 6:30 PM, $9; reserve tickets at mcny.org. Please come out to support her, learn about what she has going on, and give her your ideas on how to thwart what we don't need, and let this city work. Majora Carter’s performance at Moses rehabilitation panel at the Museum of the City of NY on FEB 1 was so hotly recieved that the Museum has given her a solo presentation on MARCH 15, 6:30 PM, $9; reserve tickets at mcny.org.

Please come out to support her, learn about what she has going on, and give her your ideas on how to thwart what we don’t need, and let this city work.

]]> By: 11211 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/21/the-new-jane-jacobs-vs-the-new-robert-moses/comment-page-1/#comment-29215 11211 Thu, 22 Feb 2007 17:44:28 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/21/the-new-jane-jacobs-vs-the-new-robert-moses/#comment-29215 Great comments guys. We have to keep on the heat. A lot of these guys are banking their political future on their ability to package themselves as builders who supported the community when that is not the case. Carrion should be added to someguy's list of people who are either pathetically detached, hopelessly delusional or blatantly lying. He's even worse that Marko. Great comments guys. We have to keep on the heat. A lot of these guys are banking their political future on their ability to package themselves as builders who supported the community when that is not the case. Carrion should be added to someguy’s list of people who are either pathetically detached, hopelessly delusional or blatantly lying. He’s even worse that Marko.

]]> By: someguy http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/21/the-new-jane-jacobs-vs-the-new-robert-moses/comment-page-1/#comment-29197 someguy Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:39:42 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/21/the-new-jane-jacobs-vs-the-new-robert-moses/#comment-29197 Exactly. The public consultation is a rubber stamp, just like the CEQR (EIS) process, after a developer-driven project has been adopted by the city. That's what counts as public involvement/consultation these days - hearings to hear people's opinions and then ignore them and move on. So, the logical next question is, are people who claim that these McNewYork projects have community input like Doctoroff, Bloomberg and Marty Markowitz: 1) pathetically detached, 2) hopelessly delusional, or 3) blatantly lying? Exactly. The public consultation is a rubber stamp, just like the CEQR (EIS) process, after a developer-driven project has been adopted by the city. That’s what counts as public involvement/consultation these days – hearings to hear people’s opinions and then ignore them and move on. So, the logical next question is, are people who claim that these McNewYork projects have community input like Doctoroff, Bloomberg and Marty Markowitz:
1) pathetically detached,
2) hopelessly delusional, or
3) blatantly lying?

]]> By: rhubarbpie http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/21/the-new-jane-jacobs-vs-the-new-robert-moses/comment-page-1/#comment-29191 rhubarbpie Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:18:16 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/21/the-new-jane-jacobs-vs-the-new-robert-moses/#comment-29191 I think we're all familiar with the kind of "community consultation" that Deputy Mayor Doctoroff typically engages in. First, there's a decision to bring in a major project, construct an unneeded statium, upsize zoning. Then, the community is "consulted" with an eye toward buying off some folks, usually by misrepresenting the facts completely. Then the rest of the neighborhood's residents are ignored and, ideally, crushed. The only difference between Robert Moses and Dan Doctoroff is that Doctoroff has learned from Moses's later mistakes and attempts to be consumer-friendly. A dangerous official. I think we’re all familiar with the kind of “community consultation” that Deputy Mayor Doctoroff typically engages in. First, there’s a decision to bring in a major project, construct an unneeded statium, upsize zoning. Then, the community is “consulted” with an eye toward buying off some folks, usually by misrepresenting the facts completely. Then the rest of the neighborhood’s residents are ignored and, ideally, crushed. The only difference between Robert Moses and Dan Doctoroff is that Doctoroff has learned from Moses’s later mistakes and attempts to be consumer-friendly. A dangerous official.

]]> By: mfs http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/21/the-new-jane-jacobs-vs-the-new-robert-moses/comment-page-1/#comment-29180 mfs Wed, 21 Feb 2007 19:47:44 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/21/the-new-jane-jacobs-vs-the-new-robert-moses/#comment-29180 <blockquote>The downside of a strong real-estate market is that people have been priced out of neighborhoods, old mom-and-pop shops closed. There was even a “Talk of the Town” piece in The New Yorker recently about how New Yorkers believe their city is changing too fast. Doctoroff: I honestly don’t hear that often...</blockquote>

The downside of a strong real-estate market is that people have been priced out of neighborhoods, old mom-and-pop shops closed. There was even a “Talk of the Town” piece in The New Yorker recently about how New Yorkers believe their city is changing too fast.

Doctoroff: I honestly don’t hear that often…

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