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	<title>Comments on: Will &#8220;Atlantic Yards&#8221; Kill the JFK-Lower Manhattan Rail Link?</title>
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		<title>By: webster</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/20/will-atlantic-yards-kill-the-jfk-lower-manhattan-rail-link/comment-page-1/#comment-29168</link>
		<dc:creator>webster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 02:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JF said:

&quot;I have a feeling that when it comes to big developer-driven projects, a la Atlantic Yards, one hand ALWAYS knows what the other hand is doing, and whose pockets the money&#039;s coming out of and flowing into.&quot;

Not so sure that is the case, since apparently the  DOT&#039;s plans for reconstructing the BQE cantilever alongside Brooklyn Heights requires it to rip up *brand* new park development and use the area as a construction staging ground.

Yep, they build the park ($$$$), and then DOT comes in and tears apart the heart of it in order to rebuild the BQE cantilever just a few years later.

The park plan folks and Port Authority folks had no idea the DOT folks had this in store for their park.  They *just* found out about these DOT plans.

Classic example of major city agencies not working with others on key projects, and the left hand not coordinated with the right hand as the saying implies.

Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JF said:</p>
<p>"I have a feeling that when it comes to big developer-driven projects, a la Atlantic Yards, one hand ALWAYS knows what the other hand is doing, and whose pockets the money's coming out of and flowing into."</p>
<p>Not so sure that is the case, since apparently the  DOT's plans for reconstructing the BQE cantilever alongside Brooklyn Heights requires it to rip up *brand* new park development and use the area as a construction staging ground.</p>
<p>Yep, they build the park ($$$$), and then DOT comes in and tears apart the heart of it in order to rebuild the BQE cantilever just a few years later.</p>
<p>The park plan folks and Port Authority folks had no idea the DOT folks had this in store for their park.  They *just* found out about these DOT plans.</p>
<p>Classic example of major city agencies not working with others on key projects, and the left hand not coordinated with the right hand as the saying implies.</p>
<p>Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: JF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 01:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you&#039;re right, Eric.  I just find it hard to believe that even the most cynical politician would waste $2 billion in funding on an un-fulfillable project.

In any case, Pataki is out now, so maybe something can be done about this before it&#039;s too late.

I don&#039;t really mind if this thing never gets built; I just don&#039;t want that $2 billion going to waste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you're right, Eric.  I just find it hard to believe that even the most cynical politician would waste $2 billion in funding on an un-fulfillable project.</p>
<p>In any case, Pataki is out now, so maybe something can be done about this before it's too late.</p>
<p>I don't really mind if this thing never gets built; I just don't want that $2 billion going to waste.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 22:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JF,

I have a feeling that when it comes to big developer-driven projects, a la Atlantic Yards, one hand ALWAYS knows what the other hand is doing, and whose pockets the money&#039;s coming out of and flowing into.

More likely, no Pataki law school chum had yet signed on to build the rail link, so Ratner got dibs.

This again illustrates New York&#039;s total lack of planning vision.  It&#039;s great that we have a 2030 initiative, but at this rate, all good ideas will be dead-ended due to this kind of short-term incompetence (or is it venality?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JF,</p>
<p>I have a feeling that when it comes to big developer-driven projects, a la Atlantic Yards, one hand ALWAYS knows what the other hand is doing, and whose pockets the money's coming out of and flowing into.</p>
<p>More likely, no Pataki law school chum had yet signed on to build the rail link, so Ratner got dibs.</p>
<p>This again illustrates New York's total lack of planning vision.  It's great that we have a 2030 initiative, but at this rate, all good ideas will be dead-ended due to this kind of short-term incompetence (or is it venality?).</p>
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		<title>By: JF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2007 18:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good catch, Mr. Cohn!  I&#039;d even look at it the other way: is it too paranoid to think that the state may not be interested in the Lower Manhattan-Jamaica rail link at all, except as a way to siphon off funds from the Second Avenue Subway?

Maybe too paranoid.  It&#039;s probably just one hand not knowing what the other one is doing.  After all, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hanlon&#039;s Razor&lt;/a&gt; states, &quot;Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good catch, Mr. Cohn!  I'd even look at it the other way: is it too paranoid to think that the state may not be interested in the Lower Manhattan-Jamaica rail link at all, except as a way to siphon off funds from the Second Avenue Subway?</p>
<p>Maybe too paranoid.  It's probably just one hand not knowing what the other one is doing.  After all, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor" rel="nofollow">Hanlon's Razor</a> states, "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."</p>
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