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	<title>Comments on: Visualizing a Car-Free Bedford Avenue</title>
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		<title>By: Steven Vance</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/15/visualizing-a-car-free-bedford-avenue/comment-page-1/#comment-29360</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 06:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think bicyclists would be particularly enthused about all the new curbs that popped up in the form of grass pits. 

And riding and cobblestone is surely less comfortable than riding on asphalt. 

I know this image is just an idea, and not exactly a &quot;final product,&quot; but with a little feature rearrangement, the design can satisfy many of us.

First, get the bicyclists and pedestrians off the same path.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't think bicyclists would be particularly enthused about all the new curbs that popped up in the form of grass pits. </p>
<p>And riding and cobblestone is surely less comfortable than riding on asphalt. </p>
<p>I know this image is just an idea, and not exactly a "final product," but with a little feature rearrangement, the design can satisfy many of us.</p>
<p>First, get the bicyclists and pedestrians off the same path.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Barnett</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/15/visualizing-a-car-free-bedford-avenue/comment-page-1/#comment-29264</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Barnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 00:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny, I find Curbed comments unreadably unclever. Once people who don&#039;t live in the city decide to start trolling in up in a city weblog, it all goes to hell. They start calling people hippies (without irony) and talk about how glad they are they don&#039;t live in the place they just can&#039;t refrain from reading about and commenting about. At least here that kind of trash only blows through from the occasional Curbed linkage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny, I find Curbed comments unreadably unclever. Once people who don't live in the city decide to start trolling in up in a city weblog, it all goes to hell. They start calling people hippies (without irony) and talk about how glad they are they don't live in the place they just can't refrain from reading about and commenting about. At least here that kind of trash only blows through from the occasional Curbed linkage.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/15/visualizing-a-car-free-bedford-avenue/comment-page-1/#comment-29239</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not as weird as it sounds.  Most car service business is done by radio and cell phone.  TLC regulations require car service drivers to wait in a parking lot, and it&#039;s quite likely that the parking lot used by Northside Car Service isn&#039;t very close by.

The only reason drivers would have to come into the office would be to fill out paperwork and pick up their checks.  To do that, they can park around the corner and walk (gasp!) a few hundred feet to the office.  If they have direct deposit, they would hardly need to go to the office at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not as weird as it sounds.  Most car service business is done by radio and cell phone.  TLC regulations require car service drivers to wait in a parking lot, and it's quite likely that the parking lot used by Northside Car Service isn't very close by.</p>
<p>The only reason drivers would have to come into the office would be to fill out paperwork and pick up their checks.  To do that, they can park around the corner and walk (gasp!) a few hundred feet to the office.  If they have direct deposit, they would hardly need to go to the office at all.</p>
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		<title>By: trashiq</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/15/visualizing-a-car-free-bedford-avenue/comment-page-1/#comment-29225</link>
		<dc:creator>trashiq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 19:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Weird that Northside CAR Service decided to stick it out and keep its headquarters on the carless street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weird that Northside CAR Service decided to stick it out and keep its headquarters on the carless street.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/15/visualizing-a-car-free-bedford-avenue/comment-page-1/#comment-29123</link>
		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 18:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of provoking an onslaught of &lt;i&gt;clever&lt;/i&gt; comments similar to the type that plague &lt;i&gt;Curbed&lt;/i&gt; I&#039;ll feed the trolls.

Aber- speaking for myself, I moved to NYC because I was looking for a dynamic streetlife for pedestrians.  As it happens, cars can be hostile to this environment- that&#039;s why I don&#039;t live in Florida, for instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of provoking an onslaught of <i>clever</i> comments similar to the type that plague <i>Curbed</i> I'll feed the trolls.</p>
<p>Aber- speaking for myself, I moved to NYC because I was looking for a dynamic streetlife for pedestrians.  As it happens, cars can be hostile to this environment- that's why I don't live in Florida, for instance.</p>
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		<title>By: someguy</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/15/visualizing-a-car-free-bedford-avenue/comment-page-1/#comment-29122</link>
		<dc:creator>someguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Attack of the killer hippies!!  yarrrrr</description>
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		<title>By: aber</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/15/visualizing-a-car-free-bedford-avenue/comment-page-1/#comment-29121</link>
		<dc:creator>aber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Feb 2007 17:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open letter to the hippies:

Thank god I left NYC to Florida. All these hippies moving to NY to demand more greenspace. Why the hell did you guys moved to NY in the first place? If I want a car I should be able to drive a car because I pay taxes and permits and licenses for the car. It is not like the L train a joy to ride during rush hour. 

I love it in Florida, I hope the hippies do not come down here and ruin it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open letter to the hippies:</p>
<p>Thank god I left NYC to Florida. All these hippies moving to NY to demand more greenspace. Why the hell did you guys moved to NY in the first place? If I want a car I should be able to drive a car because I pay taxes and permits and licenses for the car. It is not like the L train a joy to ride during rush hour. </p>
<p>I love it in Florida, I hope the hippies do not come down here and ruin it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/15/visualizing-a-car-free-bedford-avenue/comment-page-1/#comment-29104</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Feb 2007 00:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you&#039;re right, Crzwdjk:

http://www.curbed.com/archives/2007/02/16/how_about_some_carfree_bedford_avenue.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you're right, Crzwdjk:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.curbed.com/archives/2007/02/16/how_about_some_carfree_bedford_avenue.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.curbed.com/archives/2007/02/16/how_about_some_carfree_bedford_avenue.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: crzwdjk</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/15/visualizing-a-car-free-bedford-avenue/comment-page-1/#comment-29098</link>
		<dc:creator>crzwdjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 06:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with pushing the center is that you can push too far, and then people stop taking you seriously. Enviro-hippie whackos, they think, wanting crazy stuff and having no idea how real people in real cities live. So it&#039;s got to be a careful balance, between pushing the limits, and staying within the realm of what is considered reasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with pushing the center is that you can push too far, and then people stop taking you seriously. Enviro-hippie whackos, they think, wanting crazy stuff and having no idea how real people in real cities live. So it's got to be a careful balance, between pushing the limits, and staying within the realm of what is considered reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/15/visualizing-a-car-free-bedford-avenue/comment-page-1/#comment-29094</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to add: P&#039;s point (post #19) about &quot;pushing the center&quot; is very important, which is why I always liked the slogan &quot;Auto-Free New York.&quot;  You don&#039;t ask for what you need and settle for less, you ask for what you want and settle for what you need (and a bit more than that, if you can).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to add: P's point (post #19) about "pushing the center" is very important, which is why I always liked the slogan "Auto-Free New York."  You don't ask for what you need and settle for less, you ask for what you want and settle for what you need (and a bit more than that, if you can).</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/15/visualizing-a-car-free-bedford-avenue/comment-page-1/#comment-29093</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 02:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To respond to &quot;huh&quot;s question about dog shit, there are plenty of ways to deal with it.  The most basic is to have someone with a broom and a pooper-scooper; does the DOS still have any of those?  There are also smaller sweet-streepers; Paris has a small army of guys on motorbikes with vacuum cleaners attached, vacuuming up shit all over the city.

The quote above says &quot;Emergency vehicles will continue to have access to Bedford Avenue&quot;.  I don&#039;t see why garbage trucks can&#039;t as well; they do on Nassau Street.  As for car services, they can just go down one of the cross streets and stop on the corner.

As for the question &quot;what is the dominant mode of transportation?&quot; there&#039;s no disputing that motorists are allowed to dominate everything around them.  In terms of percentage of population, I&#039;m sure someone can find the census data, but North Williamsburg seems to be the kind of neighborhood where car commuters (if not car owners) are in the minority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To respond to "huh"s question about dog shit, there are plenty of ways to deal with it.  The most basic is to have someone with a broom and a pooper-scooper; does the DOS still have any of those?  There are also smaller sweet-streepers; Paris has a small army of guys on motorbikes with vacuum cleaners attached, vacuuming up shit all over the city.</p>
<p>The quote above says "Emergency vehicles will continue to have access to Bedford Avenue".  I don't see why garbage trucks can't as well; they do on Nassau Street.  As for car services, they can just go down one of the cross streets and stop on the corner.</p>
<p>As for the question "what is the dominant mode of transportation?" there's no disputing that motorists are allowed to dominate everything around them.  In terms of percentage of population, I'm sure someone can find the census data, but North Williamsburg seems to be the kind of neighborhood where car commuters (if not car owners) are in the minority.</p>
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		<title>By: crzwdjk</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/15/visualizing-a-car-free-bedford-avenue/comment-page-1/#comment-29091</link>
		<dc:creator>crzwdjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the residents of all those new condos can learn to take the L train. The carfree proposal only includes the parts of Bedford within two blocks of the subway station anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the residents of all those new condos can learn to take the L train. The carfree proposal only includes the parts of Bedford within two blocks of the subway station anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: eli</title>
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		<dc:creator>eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This looks beautiful. Even as a car owner, I would support this. Bedford Ave isn&#039;t easy to cross because many drivers don&#039;t understand, know, or care that they need to yield to pedestrians in crosswalks. I&#039;ve been (and seen many people) just miss a car flying down the road.

Furthermore, as much as I would like to see this happen tomorrow, baby steps are needed in order to fully get to the car-free zone on Bedford Ave passed. The use of more stop signs and speed bumps would greatly slow down and reduce traffic, while easing  drivers and pedestrians into a car-free Bedford.

I do have one concern though. If there are no cars allowed on Bedford Ave, hundreds of parking spaces will be lost--will there be an alternative space for this? It is already difficult to park, and with all the new condos being built, it will be even worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks beautiful. Even as a car owner, I would support this. Bedford Ave isn't easy to cross because many drivers don't understand, know, or care that they need to yield to pedestrians in crosswalks. I've been (and seen many people) just miss a car flying down the road.</p>
<p>Furthermore, as much as I would like to see this happen tomorrow, baby steps are needed in order to fully get to the car-free zone on Bedford Ave passed. The use of more stop signs and speed bumps would greatly slow down and reduce traffic, while easing  drivers and pedestrians into a car-free Bedford.</p>
<p>I do have one concern though. If there are no cars allowed on Bedford Ave, hundreds of parking spaces will be lost--will there be an alternative space for this? It is already difficult to park, and with all the new condos being built, it will be even worse.</p>
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		<title>By: crzwdjk</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/15/visualizing-a-car-free-bedford-avenue/comment-page-1/#comment-29089</link>
		<dc:creator>crzwdjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to follow the Copenhagen analogy to its logical conclusion, I think the places to start would be Times Square, Herald Square, and some parts of Downtown and possibly Flushing where there really are lots and lots and lots of pedestrians. That&#039;s not to say that Bedford can&#039;t use some improvements, just that it might not be the best choice to start pedestrianizing stuff. Oh yes, and streetcars work much better on pedestrian malls than buses, assuming they are implemented correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to follow the Copenhagen analogy to its logical conclusion, I think the places to start would be Times Square, Herald Square, and some parts of Downtown and possibly Flushing where there really are lots and lots and lots of pedestrians. That's not to say that Bedford can't use some improvements, just that it might not be the best choice to start pedestrianizing stuff. Oh yes, and streetcars work much better on pedestrian malls than buses, assuming they are implemented correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: sjt</title>
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		<dc:creator>sjt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MFS, 
The point is there would have to be some organization to oversee and implement a plan. I don&#039;t think a plan as ambitious as this could fly alone (I think you agree.) You&#039;re correct to write that NYPD enforces traffic regulations, but why couldn&#039;t that change? Finally, you&#039;re painting a wrong picture of BIDs and their impacts--I&#039;d be happy to discuss more with you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MFS,<br />
The point is there would have to be some organization to oversee and implement a plan. I don't think a plan as ambitious as this could fly alone (I think you agree.) You're correct to write that NYPD enforces traffic regulations, but why couldn't that change? Finally, you're painting a wrong picture of BIDs and their impacts--I'd be happy to discuss more with you!</p>
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		<title>By: mfs</title>
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		<dc:creator>mfs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sjt- 
a BID can&#039;t enforce restricted delivery hours, only NYPD traffic could do that, no matter whether it&#039;s in a BID or not.

as for maintenance, the city has arrangements for greenstreets plantings where a local organization agrees to maintain the plantings. there are plenty of organizations in the area who could handle it, but it in no way needs to be a BID to be successful.

of course the change could only happen with property owner&#039;s consent, but I don&#039;t want rent-a-cops patrolling bedford ave, nor do I want property owners to be the only ones who get a say in how the area runs (it&#039;s sadly how most BIDs here work).  it&#039;s a sure way to make it the next times square.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sjt-<br />
a BID can't enforce restricted delivery hours, only NYPD traffic could do that, no matter whether it's in a BID or not.</p>
<p>as for maintenance, the city has arrangements for greenstreets plantings where a local organization agrees to maintain the plantings. there are plenty of organizations in the area who could handle it, but it in no way needs to be a BID to be successful.</p>
<p>of course the change could only happen with property owner's consent, but I don't want rent-a-cops patrolling bedford ave, nor do I want property owners to be the only ones who get a say in how the area runs (it's sadly how most BIDs here work).  it's a sure way to make it the next times square.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Siegel</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/15/visualizing-a-car-free-bedford-avenue/comment-page-1/#comment-29084</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Siegel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The grass will never work: too hard to maintain and too easy to trample or drive on. 

Instead, use trees. After they are established, they are likely to survive for a long time with little or no maintenance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The grass will never work: too hard to maintain and too easy to trample or drive on. </p>
<p>Instead, use trees. After they are established, they are likely to survive for a long time with little or no maintenance.</p>
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		<title>By: huh</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/02/15/visualizing-a-car-free-bedford-avenue/comment-page-1/#comment-29083</link>
		<dc:creator>huh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 21:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this plan is crazy-talk!! it&#039;s a great  to dream about but not based on reality (am i the only one that thinks this kid needs some sort of understanding of urban planning?) bedford is way too highly trafficked as a main street to be turned completely carless. where the hell are the garbage trucks, streetsweepers, CAR SERVICES, going to go? bedford has trash and dogshit to contend with on a regular basis, can you image mounds of that shit piling up and stanking up your utopian dream of &#039;small town feel&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this plan is crazy-talk!! it's a great  to dream about but not based on reality (am i the only one that thinks this kid needs some sort of understanding of urban planning?) bedford is way too highly trafficked as a main street to be turned completely carless. where the hell are the garbage trucks, streetsweepers, CAR SERVICES, going to go? bedford has trash and dogshit to contend with on a regular basis, can you image mounds of that shit piling up and stanking up your utopian dream of 'small town feel'?</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
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		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>crzwdjk-

Your Copenhagen analogy makes a compelling arguement for a Car Free Bedford; if done correctly this can become a demonstration for measures throughout the city.  And Williamsburg is as good of a place to start as anywhere (though Chinatown is inviting). Hopefully, every neighborhood in the city would then be saying &#039;I want one of those!&#039;

When it comes to the details I still lean towards a Car &lt;i&gt;Reduced&lt;/i&gt; Bedford but maybe something more ambitious than just traffic calming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>crzwdjk-</p>
<p>Your Copenhagen analogy makes a compelling arguement for a Car Free Bedford; if done correctly this can become a demonstration for measures throughout the city.  And Williamsburg is as good of a place to start as anywhere (though Chinatown is inviting). Hopefully, every neighborhood in the city would then be saying 'I want one of those!'</p>
<p>When it comes to the details I still lean towards a Car <i>Reduced</i> Bedford but maybe something more ambitious than just traffic calming.</p>
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		<title>By: crzwdjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>crzwdjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Feb 2007 20:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What, exactly, is the dominant mode of transit in New York though? It&#039;s hard to say that it&#039;s cars, because the majority of New Yorkers don&#039;t have cars, and the vast majority of trips are not made by car. In the 19th century, your only choices were horse or walking, but now in addition to cars we have subways and buses, and potentially streetcars and so on.

&quot;There were plenty of other forces at play, but many regional/small towns tried pedestrian malls in the 70s and 80s. Most failed.&quot;
There was a simple explanation for this: they tried to attract pedestrians to an area that had become auto-oriented not just from the cars on the street but from the local density as well. The &quot;if you build it they will come&quot; doesn&#039;t really work with pedestrian malls. It&#039;s more of a &quot;if they&#039;re already there, more will come&quot; effect, where pedestrian activity is self-reinforcing and attracted by already existing pedestrian activity. So the place to introduce pedestrian malls is... where there already are pedestrians. That is how Copenhagen did it, slowly and incrementally, and it worked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What, exactly, is the dominant mode of transit in New York though? It's hard to say that it's cars, because the majority of New Yorkers don't have cars, and the vast majority of trips are not made by car. In the 19th century, your only choices were horse or walking, but now in addition to cars we have subways and buses, and potentially streetcars and so on.</p>
<p>"There were plenty of other forces at play, but many regional/small towns tried pedestrian malls in the 70s and 80s. Most failed."<br />
There was a simple explanation for this: they tried to attract pedestrians to an area that had become auto-oriented not just from the cars on the street but from the local density as well. The "if you build it they will come" doesn't really work with pedestrian malls. It's more of a "if they're already there, more will come" effect, where pedestrian activity is self-reinforcing and attracted by already existing pedestrian activity. So the place to introduce pedestrian malls is... where there already are pedestrians. That is how Copenhagen did it, slowly and incrementally, and it worked.</p>
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