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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27658</link>
		<author>Glenn</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 14:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NY Times has an excellent opinion piece by Robert Sullivan:

"FOR the past two decades, New York has been an inspiration to other American cities looking to revive themselves. Yes, New York had a lot of crime, but somehow it also still had neighborhoods, and a core that had never been completely abandoned to the car. Lately, though, as far as pedestrian issues go, New York is acting more like the rest of America, and the rest of America is acting more like the once-inspiring New York."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/29/opinion/29sullivan.html?_r=1&#38;oref=slogin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NY Times has an excellent opinion piece by Robert Sullivan:</p>
<p>"FOR the past two decades, New York has been an inspiration to other American cities looking to revive themselves. Yes, New York had a lot of crime, but somehow it also still had neighborhoods, and a core that had never been completely abandoned to the car. Lately, though, as far as pedestrian issues go, New York is acting more like the rest of America, and the rest of America is acting more like the once-inspiring New York."<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/29/opinion/29sullivan.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/29/opinion/29sullivan.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin</a></p>
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		<title>By: Komanoff</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27611</link>
		<author>Komanoff</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jan 2007 03:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27611</guid>
		<description>Weinshall's assertions that NYC DOT is already (or soon will be) doing what the legislation would mandate, takes me back to 1999. Right Of Way had recently published KILLED BY AUTOMOBILE -- a massive research project sustained entirely by heroic volunteer effort -- and was seeking funding support for an update from the Governor's Traffic Safety Committee. Our intended research focus was to explain the *decline* in pedestrian fatalities in 1998 from the higher 1994-97 plateau we had documented in KBA. City DOT blackballed our research proposal, claiming that the agency was already (or soon would be) studying that very issue. A lie, as it turned out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Weinshall's assertions that NYC DOT is already (or soon will be) doing what the legislation would mandate, takes me back to 1999. Right Of Way had recently published KILLED BY AUTOMOBILE -- a massive research project sustained entirely by heroic volunteer effort -- and was seeking funding support for an update from the Governor's Traffic Safety Committee. Our intended research focus was to explain the *decline* in pedestrian fatalities in 1998 from the higher 1994-97 plateau we had documented in KBA. City DOT blackballed our research proposal, claiming that the agency was already (or soon would be) studying that very issue. A lie, as it turned out.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27593</link>
		<author>JK</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27593</guid>
		<description>Thanks Aaron. Good work T.A. for getting this going.

It's disappointing that the mayor's office did not see this bill as an opportunity to build support for the "sustainable" transportation measures that should come out of PlaNYC. The mayor's office had months to come up with an alternative more to it's liking that would build support for what are sure to be controversial traffic reduction measures. The advocates would no doubt be very happy to back a mayor's traffic reduction plan or bill.

(Incidentally, how can the "sustainability" people at City Hall watch testimony like this without feeling embarrassed for the mayor?) 

It's too bad City Hall doesn't perceive the benefit of leading on traffic reduction. Why should they grant the rhetorical high ground to  the same councilmembers, including John Liu, who will oppose many of the specifics of a mayoral traffic reduction plan?  

Oh, lastly, a majority in a city council committee does not mean passage, or a vote. Speaker Quinn will weigh 199 as one issue among the big slate she has with the mayor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Aaron. Good work T.A. for getting this going.</p>
<p>It's disappointing that the mayor's office did not see this bill as an opportunity to build support for the "sustainable" transportation measures that should come out of PlaNYC. The mayor's office had months to come up with an alternative more to it's liking that would build support for what are sure to be controversial traffic reduction measures. The advocates would no doubt be very happy to back a mayor's traffic reduction plan or bill.</p>
<p>(Incidentally, how can the "sustainability" people at City Hall watch testimony like this without feeling embarrassed for the mayor?) </p>
<p>It's too bad City Hall doesn't perceive the benefit of leading on traffic reduction. Why should they grant the rhetorical high ground to  the same councilmembers, including John Liu, who will oppose many of the specifics of a mayoral traffic reduction plan?  </p>
<p>Oh, lastly, a majority in a city council committee does not mean passage, or a vote. Speaker Quinn will weigh 199 as one issue among the big slate she has with the mayor.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27575</link>
		<author>Dan</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 03:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27575</guid>
		<description>I don't even know how to measure how outraged I am at the DOT.  It just seems to me like there a bunch of people who think we can make a better city with better streets and better public spaces and then there's the city(DOT,MTA) standing in opposition.  But not the good kind of well meaning principled opposition, but the kind of churlish immature opposition that comes from opposing things you don't know how to address in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't even know how to measure how outraged I am at the DOT.  It just seems to me like there a bunch of people who think we can make a better city with better streets and better public spaces and then there's the city(DOT,MTA) standing in opposition.  But not the good kind of well meaning principled opposition, but the kind of churlish immature opposition that comes from opposing things you don't know how to address in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27572</link>
		<author>CB</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27572</guid>
		<description>Indeed in their car centric world no one measures pedestrian traffic flow, speed and car interference..
woudl be fascinating to measure the impact on commute time if the pedestrians were given as much green time as the cars ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed in their car centric world no one measures pedestrian traffic flow, speed and car interference..<br />
woudl be fascinating to measure the impact on commute time if the pedestrians were given as much green time as the cars ..</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27571</link>
		<author>CB</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27571</guid>
		<description>Teh only data they are interested in is the opoinion of their boss. In their political world the data is only there to illustrate the point the political powers want to make .. 

Case in point was the west side stadium. The analysis showed the traffic would be horrendous ..  but the conclusion was still , no problem .. 

We have a CEO problem here. Mr bloomberg is not asking the right questions..So now the Board of directors steps in .. We need ot help councilman Liu design the right measurements</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teh only data they are interested in is the opoinion of their boss. In their political world the data is only there to illustrate the point the political powers want to make .. </p>
<p>Case in point was the west side stadium. The analysis showed the traffic would be horrendous ..  but the conclusion was still , no problem .. </p>
<p>We have a CEO problem here. Mr bloomberg is not asking the right questions..So now the Board of directors steps in .. We need ot help councilman Liu design the right measurements</p>
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		<title>By: AD</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27566</link>
		<author>AD</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27566</guid>
		<description>Two things.

1) Traffic is 1% to 2% higher than the pre-9/11 all-time highs? Then what's with the &lt;a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/01262007/news/regionalnews/jam__schmam__traffic_not_as_bad_as_you_think_regionalnews_jeremy_olshan.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;spate of news articles&lt;/a&gt; talking about how Weinshall thinks it's all in our minds?

2) &lt;a href="http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-48,GGLD:en&#038;q=new%20york%20city%20traffic&#038;oe=UTF-8&#038;sa=N&#038;tab=wn" rel="nofollow"&gt;Try searching Google for "New York City Traffic."&lt;/a&gt; Look who's in the &lt;a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/streetfilms-were-new-york%E2%80%94we-can-lead/" rel="nofollow"&gt;first&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/" rel="nofollow"&gt;second&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/dot-testimony-on-intro-199/" rel="nofollow"&gt;third&lt;/a&gt; position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things.</p>
<p>1) Traffic is 1% to 2% higher than the pre-9/11 all-time highs? Then what's with the <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/01262007/news/regionalnews/jam__schmam__traffic_not_as_bad_as_you_think_regionalnews_jeremy_olshan.htm" rel="nofollow">spate of news articles</a> talking about how Weinshall thinks it's all in our minds?</p>
<p>2) <a href="http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&#038;ie=UTF-8&#038;rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-48,GGLD:en&#038;q=new%20york%20city%20traffic&#038;oe=UTF-8&#038;sa=N&#038;tab=wn" rel="nofollow">Try searching Google for "New York City Traffic."</a> Look who's in the <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/streetfilms-were-new-york%E2%80%94we-can-lead/" rel="nofollow">first</a>, <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/" rel="nofollow">second</a> and <a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/dot-testimony-on-intro-199/" rel="nofollow">third</a> position.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian D</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27565</link>
		<author>Ian D</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27565</guid>
		<description>I saw Gale Brewer at a dinner later that night and had a few moments to chat about the hearing. (She asked if I enjoyed my free theater that morning. :) )

I think we agreed - Iris sure sounded strong coming off her prepared statements, but under questioning, her facade fell apart. Councilmember Brewer was most entertained by Dan Garodnick's questioning - trying to get basic information out of the Commissioner and her aides, and just getting smoke.

And I know from our community's - and community board's - negotiations with DOT over the Houston St. redesign, that where DOT has data, they are unwilling to share it. If you force them to share it, they will share only what supports their case and claim that they don't have much data at all. That's not what I heard in the DOT testimony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Gale Brewer at a dinner later that night and had a few moments to chat about the hearing. (She asked if I enjoyed my free theater that morning. <img src='http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>I think we agreed - Iris sure sounded strong coming off her prepared statements, but under questioning, her facade fell apart. Councilmember Brewer was most entertained by Dan Garodnick's questioning - trying to get basic information out of the Commissioner and her aides, and just getting smoke.</p>
<p>And I know from our community's - and community board's - negotiations with DOT over the Houston St. redesign, that where DOT has data, they are unwilling to share it. If you force them to share it, they will share only what supports their case and claim that they don't have much data at all. That's not what I heard in the DOT testimony.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian D</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27564</link>
		<author>Ian D</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27564</guid>
		<description>Re: Hilary's comment: What I found most disconcerting yesterday was Councilman Liu's statement that he was "not for reducing traffic."

I don't know that I would characterize it like that.

I was going to comment that this was one of the bullet points that Aaron should have included: the awakening of John Liu. He asked the panel that included TA, TSTC, Chad Marlow, and Citizens for NY whether they believed that the eventual goal should be reducing congestion or reducing traffic overall. Everyone on the panel agreed - correctly, to this observer - that reducing congestion while not reducing traffic in total would be insufficient.

I think Councilmember Liu saw the light at that moment - that we could, in fact, as a city, decide to have fewer vehicles. Let's hope that was the lesson he took away, and will continue to use his seat to persue.

- Ian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Hilary's comment: What I found most disconcerting yesterday was Councilman Liu's statement that he was "not for reducing traffic."</p>
<p>I don't know that I would characterize it like that.</p>
<p>I was going to comment that this was one of the bullet points that Aaron should have included: the awakening of John Liu. He asked the panel that included TA, TSTC, Chad Marlow, and Citizens for NY whether they believed that the eventual goal should be reducing congestion or reducing traffic overall. Everyone on the panel agreed - correctly, to this observer - that reducing congestion while not reducing traffic in total would be insufficient.</p>
<p>I think Councilmember Liu saw the light at that moment - that we could, in fact, as a city, decide to have fewer vehicles. Let's hope that was the lesson he took away, and will continue to use his seat to persue.</p>
<p>- Ian</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27562</link>
		<author>Glenn</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27562</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the overview of what happened yesterday. I wish I could be there, but we did have a representative from Upper Green Side present our testimony. We are proud that CM Garodnick and Lappin are now sponsors of the bill.

Strangely, on the same day around noon, I received the official response to my request for protective barriers on the Park Avenue pedestrian medians. My favorite line was "guardrails may be considered a source of crash potential themselves". Yeah, exactly...that would even worse than pedestrian interference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the overview of what happened yesterday. I wish I could be there, but we did have a representative from Upper Green Side present our testimony. We are proud that CM Garodnick and Lappin are now sponsors of the bill.</p>
<p>Strangely, on the same day around noon, I received the official response to my request for protective barriers on the Park Avenue pedestrian medians. My favorite line was "guardrails may be considered a source of crash potential themselves". Yeah, exactly...that would even worse than pedestrian interference.</p>
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		<title>By: someguy</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27561</link>
		<author>someguy</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jan 2007 00:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27561</guid>
		<description>HotSauceWhiteSauce - Yes, quality of life, not to mention sustainability.

Hilary - I think John Liu's objective is higher office. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HotSauceWhiteSauce - Yes, quality of life, not to mention sustainability.</p>
<p>Hilary - I think John Liu's objective is higher office. <img src='http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Hilary Kitasei</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27559</link>
		<author>Hilary Kitasei</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27559</guid>
		<description>What I found most disconcerting yesterday was Councilman Liu's statement that he was "not for reducing traffic." If reducing congestion only means reducing delays (especially at intersections)  DOT is already quite good at moving massive amounts of vehicles through the local street grid often at speeds of 40-50mph. With the new technology they'll no doubt do well at breaking up the bottlenecks. But I want to take back real estate and air. That means indicators that measure the quality of life -- like land converted from sidewalks &#38; parkland to asphalt each year. Noise. Views and access.

The bill is obviously worth fighting hard for, but I do wonder if everyone agress what the objective is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I found most disconcerting yesterday was Councilman Liu's statement that he was "not for reducing traffic." If reducing congestion only means reducing delays (especially at intersections)  DOT is already quite good at moving massive amounts of vehicles through the local street grid often at speeds of 40-50mph. With the new technology they'll no doubt do well at breaking up the bottlenecks. But I want to take back real estate and air. That means indicators that measure the quality of life -- like land converted from sidewalks &amp; parkland to asphalt each year. Noise. Views and access.</p>
<p>The bill is obviously worth fighting hard for, but I do wonder if everyone agress what the objective is.</p>
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		<title>By: HotSauceWhiteSauce</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27557</link>
		<author>HotSauceWhiteSauce</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 23:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/26/pedestrian-interference/#comment-27557</guid>
		<description>so basically we have a bureaucrat with no background in transportation heading up the only city agency with direct control over the capital of the world's transportation system, not to mention most of its public space?  and her decisions and positions are primarily shaped and influenced by her deputy commissioners, who are cranky, sheltered engineers or arrogant policy aces high on their own power yet all but unaccountable to the public?

Awesome!

(And at the outset of the 21st century we all watched with heavy hearts as New York City sank from being the Capital of the World to just a B-level global city, too unimaginative, apathetic or just plain incompetent to rise to the challenge of a new, non-auto-dominated era where quality of life trumps financial services chestbeating.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so basically we have a bureaucrat with no background in transportation heading up the only city agency with direct control over the capital of the world's transportation system, not to mention most of its public space?  and her decisions and positions are primarily shaped and influenced by her deputy commissioners, who are cranky, sheltered engineers or arrogant policy aces high on their own power yet all but unaccountable to the public?</p>
<p>Awesome!</p>
<p>(And at the outset of the 21st century we all watched with heavy hearts as New York City sank from being the Capital of the World to just a B-level global city, too unimaginative, apathetic or just plain incompetent to rise to the challenge of a new, non-auto-dominated era where quality of life trumps financial services chestbeating.)</p>
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