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	<title>Comments on: Memorializing Killed Cyclists: Is it Good for Cycling?</title>
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		<title>By: P</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/08/memorializing-killed-cyclists-is-it-good-for-cycling/comment-page-1/#comment-26394</link>
		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aww, ddartley, I didn&#039;t _really_ mean to imply you&#039;re from NJ (not that there&#039;s anything wrong with it).

But I&#039;m glad to see the good feelings all around these days...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aww, ddartley, I didn't _really_ mean to imply you're from NJ (not that there's anything wrong with it).</p>
<p>But I'm glad to see the good feelings all around these days...</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will definitely be more pedestrian memorials in the months ahead.  

There are two design challenges in coming up with an appropriate marker.  The first challenge is that there is no obvious icon (like the white bike); the second is that due to the frequency of pedestrian deaths it would have to be something very simple so that anyone could take it on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will definitely be more pedestrian memorials in the months ahead.  </p>
<p>There are two design challenges in coming up with an appropriate marker.  The first challenge is that there is no obvious icon (like the white bike); the second is that due to the frequency of pedestrian deaths it would have to be something very simple so that anyone could take it on.</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/08/memorializing-killed-cyclists-is-it-good-for-cycling/comment-page-1/#comment-26364</link>
		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, P, and if cyclists were involved in making such ped memorials, it might help ease the unfortunate tensions between them and peds.  P and I are agreeing on some things these days, even though P is the one who assumed, a couple months ago, that I was a New Jerseyan SUV driver (because of a comment I made on a BRT story).  I&#039;m getting over it, but barely...

Seriously, though, to Visual Resistance or any artists out there thinking of starting such a project, keep victims&#039; families in mind--what I mean is, most seem to agree that ghost bikes are a gentle and respectful, if remarkable, image.  I hope artists keep that model in mind.  Certain families of peds killed by cars might get very upset by an image that&#039;s much more jarring or shocking than ghost bikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, P, and if cyclists were involved in making such ped memorials, it might help ease the unfortunate tensions between them and peds.  P and I are agreeing on some things these days, even though P is the one who assumed, a couple months ago, that I was a New Jerseyan SUV driver (because of a comment I made on a BRT story).  I'm getting over it, but barely...</p>
<p>Seriously, though, to Visual Resistance or any artists out there thinking of starting such a project, keep victims' families in mind--what I mean is, most seem to agree that ghost bikes are a gentle and respectful, if remarkable, image.  I hope artists keep that model in mind.  Certain families of peds killed by cars might get very upset by an image that's much more jarring or shocking than ghost bikes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/08/memorializing-killed-cyclists-is-it-good-for-cycling/comment-page-1/#comment-26359</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also helped organise sunday&#039;s ride. It was great to see everyone on the ride. Yesterday reminded me that when we get on our bikes and out into these streets we are part of a robust, strong and loving community.  This community was in beautiful diversity yesterday, kids, parents, messengers, spandex clad weekend warriors, slightly wobbily occasional riders, angry hard core bike activists, ect...ect... of all colors and walks of life-- united against the violence in the streets and tied forever with those that loved these victims of it.

This makes me feel more protected than ever out there, cause I know you all got my back, front, sides and my heart.

And Ill get off my bike and walk in any action to memorialize the far too many pedestrians who died last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also helped organise sunday's ride. It was great to see everyone on the ride. Yesterday reminded me that when we get on our bikes and out into these streets we are part of a robust, strong and loving community.  This community was in beautiful diversity yesterday, kids, parents, messengers, spandex clad weekend warriors, slightly wobbily occasional riders, angry hard core bike activists, ect...ect... of all colors and walks of life-- united against the violence in the streets and tied forever with those that loved these victims of it.</p>
<p>This makes me feel more protected than ever out there, cause I know you all got my back, front, sides and my heart.</p>
<p>And Ill get off my bike and walk in any action to memorialize the far too many pedestrians who died last year.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/08/memorializing-killed-cyclists-is-it-good-for-cycling/comment-page-1/#comment-26303</link>
		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Devil&#039;s Advocate or not, I think this thread has emphasized the importance of the creation of pedestrian memorials.  For one, pedestrian deaths are ten times more frequent than cyclist deaths.  Second, no one can seriously argue that people would be dissuaded from walking by seeing these memorials to those killed by automobiles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Devil's Advocate or not, I think this thread has emphasized the importance of the creation of pedestrian memorials.  For one, pedestrian deaths are ten times more frequent than cyclist deaths.  Second, no one can seriously argue that people would be dissuaded from walking by seeing these memorials to those killed by automobiles.</p>
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		<title>By: rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as a member of one of the organizations who helped to organize sunday&#039;s event, my views may be biased.  that said, i think the worst thing we could do as a cycling commyunity is ignore these deaths.  these memorial rides, and the ghost bike project started out as a way for cyclists to support each other, so that we don&#039;t get scared from the streets.  i think of a memorial ride as a cathartic process, much like a funeral.  the ride helps the collective mourning process.  by comming together we are able to move forward.  and work together for safer streets.  for example everytime a tow truck driver goes in or out of the tow pound on  38th and west st, he or she sees dr. nacht&#039;s ghost bike, and is reminded of how dangerous thier vehicle is.

we have talked about a similar project for pedestrian deaths. . .we came up with white shoes.  as part of our ride, we attempted to memorialize the 134 pedestrians who perished on the streets of nyc in the past year, we didnt have the time or volunteer power to get 134 pairs of white shoes to 134 yet unknown locations around nyc.  but if we did, would that discourage people from walking?

i encourage anyone who can to go to Bogota, and check out the black spot(star) program.  it is a similar project that is completely publicly funded and run.  imagine if bloomberg&#039;s administration considered death in traffic a problem and put a mark on the street, anywhere someone died in traffic (pedestrain, cyclist, motorist, or passenger).

aaron, i dont think you personally believe the ghost bike project or a well publicized memorial ride to be bad for cycling? i think you were just playing devil&#039;s advocate, and making brief point about how people can interpret art.  also, you had to know that the organizers of sunday&#039;s event would read this, since we read streetsblog quite religiously</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a member of one of the organizations who helped to organize sunday's event, my views may be biased.  that said, i think the worst thing we could do as a cycling commyunity is ignore these deaths.  these memorial rides, and the ghost bike project started out as a way for cyclists to support each other, so that we don't get scared from the streets.  i think of a memorial ride as a cathartic process, much like a funeral.  the ride helps the collective mourning process.  by comming together we are able to move forward.  and work together for safer streets.  for example everytime a tow truck driver goes in or out of the tow pound on  38th and west st, he or she sees dr. nacht's ghost bike, and is reminded of how dangerous thier vehicle is.</p>
<p>we have talked about a similar project for pedestrian deaths. . .we came up with white shoes.  as part of our ride, we attempted to memorialize the 134 pedestrians who perished on the streets of nyc in the past year, we didnt have the time or volunteer power to get 134 pairs of white shoes to 134 yet unknown locations around nyc.  but if we did, would that discourage people from walking?</p>
<p>i encourage anyone who can to go to Bogota, and check out the black spot(star) program.  it is a similar project that is completely publicly funded and run.  imagine if bloomberg's administration considered death in traffic a problem and put a mark on the street, anywhere someone died in traffic (pedestrain, cyclist, motorist, or passenger).</p>
<p>aaron, i dont think you personally believe the ghost bike project or a well publicized memorial ride to be bad for cycling? i think you were just playing devil's advocate, and making brief point about how people can interpret art.  also, you had to know that the organizers of sunday's event would read this, since we read streetsblog quite religiously</p>
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		<title>By: rachael</title>
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		<dc:creator>rachael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 15:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Full Disclosure:  I helped organize this event and I might be biased.)  

I don&#039;t think anyone who attended on Sunday would say that the Memorial Ride is bad for cycling.  More cycling groups participated in this ride than in any other NYC bike ride in recent history.  It was incredible to see the vast diversity of cyclists- messengers, activists, recreational cyclists, pedicab drivers, commuters, young, old- everyone was working together and supporting each other.  It was an amazing day.

Furthermore, we really made an effort this year to involve families of the victims in this ride.  I cannot tell you how grateful they are that this whole community honored their loved one in this way.  Particularly when the rest of the city doesn&#039;t pay adequate attention to their loss.  One person that we honored this year, Jamel Lewis, was an African-American man killed in Harlem on November 30th.  His death was never even reported in the press.  Almost none of these drivers were held responsible for their actions.  I think it&#039;s important for these families to know that there is a huge community of people who are there to support them.  

Regarding pedestrian memorials, this year was the first year we included pedestrians in our memorial ride (http://www.flickr.com/photos/visualresistance/350970857/).  We are all volunteers and work with almost no budget and therefore could not install individual memorials for all 134 pedestrians killed in 2006.  We installed a memorial at Park Ave. and 96th that honors all pedestrians killed on the streets.  It is my hope that a group with more resources will step forward to honor all the pedestrians killed on the streets.  The Black Star program (http://www.flickr.com/photos/81659532@N00/279625790/)that an earlier commenter mentioned was paid for by the government.  Obviously that isn&#039;t going to happen here, but it would be great if a group would step forward and take that on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Full Disclosure:  I helped organize this event and I might be biased.)  </p>
<p>I don't think anyone who attended on Sunday would say that the Memorial Ride is bad for cycling.  More cycling groups participated in this ride than in any other NYC bike ride in recent history.  It was incredible to see the vast diversity of cyclists- messengers, activists, recreational cyclists, pedicab drivers, commuters, young, old- everyone was working together and supporting each other.  It was an amazing day.</p>
<p>Furthermore, we really made an effort this year to involve families of the victims in this ride.  I cannot tell you how grateful they are that this whole community honored their loved one in this way.  Particularly when the rest of the city doesn't pay adequate attention to their loss.  One person that we honored this year, Jamel Lewis, was an African-American man killed in Harlem on November 30th.  His death was never even reported in the press.  Almost none of these drivers were held responsible for their actions.  I think it's important for these families to know that there is a huge community of people who are there to support them.  </p>
<p>Regarding pedestrian memorials, this year was the first year we included pedestrians in our memorial ride (<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/visualresistance/350970857/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/visualresistance/350970857/)</a>.  We are all volunteers and work with almost no budget and therefore could not install individual memorials for all 134 pedestrians killed in 2006.  We installed a memorial at Park Ave. and 96th that honors all pedestrians killed on the streets.  It is my hope that a group with more resources will step forward to honor all the pedestrians killed on the streets.  The Black Star program (<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/81659532@N00/279625790/)that" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/81659532@N00/279625790/)that</a> an earlier commenter mentioned was paid for by the government.  Obviously that isn't going to happen here, but it would be great if a group would step forward and take that on.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Tay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Tay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 08:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riding on the highways around Tulsa, Oklahoma, I see roadside memorials for dead cagers, like so many Arlington Cementaries.  There&#039;s a whole lot of them.

But, do the memorials convince anyone not to cage?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riding on the highways around Tulsa, Oklahoma, I see roadside memorials for dead cagers, like so many Arlington Cementaries.  There's a whole lot of them.</p>
<p>But, do the memorials convince anyone not to cage?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 03:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we put up ghost pedestrians, as well as ghost bikes, it would show that no one who ventures outside is safe from motor vehicles. Hundreds of ghost pedestrians all over the city might really get peoples attention.  

-Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we put up ghost pedestrians, as well as ghost bikes, it would show that no one who ventures outside is safe from motor vehicles. Hundreds of ghost pedestrians all over the city might really get peoples attention.  </p>
<p>-Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Ian D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 02:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: #16

Good to see that your NBC affiliate gave you airtime!

Interesting to compare the numbers: NYC, with its much larger population and presumably larger cycling population, only had 1 more fatality in 2006 than Chicago. 

(Note: though we rode for 14 fallen cyclists yesterday, Noah at TA got a call today from one of the &quot;dead&quot; cyclists, Ivan Morales, who was thankful that we remembered him even though he wasn&#039;t quite dead. He was pronounced dead at the scene of his crash but was revived in the ER - one example of the divergent numbers of fatalities that different city agencies list. According to Noah, Ivan is back on his bike.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: #16</p>
<p>Good to see that your NBC affiliate gave you airtime!</p>
<p>Interesting to compare the numbers: NYC, with its much larger population and presumably larger cycling population, only had 1 more fatality in 2006 than Chicago. </p>
<p>(Note: though we rode for 14 fallen cyclists yesterday, Noah at TA got a call today from one of the "dead" cyclists, Ivan Morales, who was thankful that we remembered him even though he wasn't quite dead. He was pronounced dead at the scene of his crash but was revived in the ER - one example of the divergent numbers of fatalities that different city agencies list. According to Noah, Ivan is back on his bike.)</p>
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		<title>By: visual resistance</title>
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		<dc:creator>visual resistance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve gotten this response a handful of times in the past.  One of the risks of making art is that people interpret it in all sorts of ways, including sometimes the opposite of your intention.  

The ghost bike project started as a quiet and personal response to the death of Liz Padilla.  In the past year and a half, it has grown in ways we never expected.

I think yesterday&#039;s memorial ride showed that the ghost bikes are only a small part of a diverse movement towards bike and pedestrian safety, sustainable living, and a better city.  

The ghost bikes only call attention to the true source of non-cyclists&#039; fears: unsafe streets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We've gotten this response a handful of times in the past.  One of the risks of making art is that people interpret it in all sorts of ways, including sometimes the opposite of your intention.  </p>
<p>The ghost bike project started as a quiet and personal response to the death of Liz Padilla.  In the past year and a half, it has grown in ways we never expected.</p>
<p>I think yesterday's memorial ride showed that the ghost bikes are only a small part of a diverse movement towards bike and pedestrian safety, sustainable living, and a better city.  </p>
<p>The ghost bikes only call attention to the true source of non-cyclists' fears: unsafe streets.</p>
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		<title>By: carrie</title>
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		<dc:creator>carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can count me as one person who stopped riding regularly due to safety. Really. I used to commute to work (Brooklyn --&gt; Manhattan) by bike but stopped after one too many near-death experiences. Of course, what people say in polls isn&#039;t necessarily reflective of what they *do,* but there are a lot of people out there like me -- folks who biked BEFORE moving NYC but are too freaked out by traffic here to bike in the city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can count me as one person who stopped riding regularly due to safety. Really. I used to commute to work (Brooklyn --&gt; Manhattan) by bike but stopped after one too many near-death experiences. Of course, what people say in polls isn't necessarily reflective of what they *do,* but there are a lot of people out there like me -- folks who biked BEFORE moving NYC but are too freaked out by traffic here to bike in the city.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 00:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, &quot;Bike Buddy&quot; sounds really cool especially if it has some type of financing behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, "Bike Buddy" sounds really cool especially if it has some type of financing behind it.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Dorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Dorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 00:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good topic. Memorials can help to empower present active bicyclists, by helping us understand that we&#039;re not alone, but are part of a caring community. Prospective bicyclists _might_ be put off by the reminder of danger; which is why we need to emphasize that bicycling is healthy and fun, and safe--especially if one is sober, mature, and riding effectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good topic. Memorials can help to empower present active bicyclists, by helping us understand that we're not alone, but are part of a caring community. Prospective bicyclists _might_ be put off by the reminder of danger; which is why we need to emphasize that bicycling is healthy and fun, and safe--especially if one is sober, mature, and riding effectively.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 00:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitch, the &quot;Bike Buddy&quot; idea sounds like a really good idea.  Would love to see something like that here in NYC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitch, the "Bike Buddy" idea sounds like a really good idea.  Would love to see something like that here in NYC.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 23:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another way to encourage people try overcome their fears and start biking is a &quot;Bike Buddy&quot; program, which matches novices with experienced bikers, who can teach their partners where and how to ride safely in the city.

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://bicycling.511.org/buddy.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;San Francisco Bay Area&lt;/a&gt; has a bike-buddy program, which seems to have government resources behind it.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bicyclealliance.org/commute/bikebuddy.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Seattle&lt;/a&gt; used to have a program, until their grant ran out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way to encourage people try overcome their fears and start biking is a "Bike Buddy" program, which matches novices with experienced bikers, who can teach their partners where and how to ride safely in the city.</p>
<p>The <a href="http://bicycling.511.org/buddy.htm" rel="nofollow">San Francisco Bay Area</a> has a bike-buddy program, which seems to have government resources behind it.  <a href="http://www.bicyclealliance.org/commute/bikebuddy.html" rel="nofollow">Seattle</a> used to have a program, until their grant ran out.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Vance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Vance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 23:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had a ride in Chicago last Thursday, January 5th. 

Here&#039;s the local NBC coverage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSE65o33tFo

We rode to remember the 12 cyclists killed on Chicago streets in 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a ride in Chicago last Thursday, January 5th. </p>
<p>Here's the local NBC coverage:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSE65o33tFo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSE65o33tFo</a></p>
<p>We rode to remember the 12 cyclists killed on Chicago streets in 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 23:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s undoubtedly true that memorials scare some people out of biking, but I think they&#039;re necessary; you need to remember fallen comrades, and let people know there are problems on the street that *can* be solved.

But there are ways to encourage biking, and make it safer, even if the government drags its feet.  To create safety in numbers, a bike group in Sydney, Australia, organizes &quot;BikeBuses&quot; -- groups of riders who follow a fixed route and schedule every day.  See their &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.massbug.org.au/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/MASSBUG/BikeBus&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;website&lt;/a&gt; for details.  A BikeBus has some resemblance to Critical Mass rides, but it&#039;s smaller, explicitly organized, and completely legal -- even in New York.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's undoubtedly true that memorials scare some people out of biking, but I think they're necessary; you need to remember fallen comrades, and let people know there are problems on the street that *can* be solved.</p>
<p>But there are ways to encourage biking, and make it safer, even if the government drags its feet.  To create safety in numbers, a bike group in Sydney, Australia, organizes "BikeBuses" -- groups of riders who follow a fixed route and schedule every day.  See their <a href="http://www.massbug.org.au/cgi-bin/twiki/bin/view/MASSBUG/BikeBus" rel="nofollow">website</a> for details.  A BikeBus has some resemblance to Critical Mass rides, but it's smaller, explicitly organized, and completely legal -- even in New York.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
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		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is anyone aware is the spraypainted memorials of killed pedestrians are still being made?  I was astonished to hear that over one hundred and fifty pedestrians are killed each year.  If the locations of these crashes for, say, the last ten years were noted it seems like the average person would see at least one every day.  

There needs to be a fundamental shift in the attitude of drivers.  If we can get them relating to the plight of pedestrians when they aren&#039;t in their cars perhaps they will take this when they are behind the wheel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anyone aware is the spraypainted memorials of killed pedestrians are still being made?  I was astonished to hear that over one hundred and fifty pedestrians are killed each year.  If the locations of these crashes for, say, the last ten years were noted it seems like the average person would see at least one every day.  </p>
<p>There needs to be a fundamental shift in the attitude of drivers.  If we can get them relating to the plight of pedestrians when they aren't in their cars perhaps they will take this when they are behind the wheel.</p>
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		<title>By: P</title>
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		<dc:creator>P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect people refuse to bike because of a _perceived_ lack of safety.  We&#039;ve discussed in other threads the fact that bike lanes are not necessarily safer than taking a lane in the street- but they feel safer and that encourages novices to start biking.

In my opinion the polling numbers of people who _say_ they would ride if it was safer are very unreliable.  TA uses the numbers in their advocacy- and I don&#039;t blame them- but asking people if they would do something virtuous like exercise more frequently if it wasn&#039;t for some excuse is bound to get a very inflated number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect people refuse to bike because of a _perceived_ lack of safety.  We've discussed in other threads the fact that bike lanes are not necessarily safer than taking a lane in the street- but they feel safer and that encourages novices to start biking.</p>
<p>In my opinion the polling numbers of people who _say_ they would ride if it was safer are very unreliable.  TA uses the numbers in their advocacy- and I don't blame them- but asking people if they would do something virtuous like exercise more frequently if it wasn't for some excuse is bound to get a very inflated number.</p>
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