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	<title>Comments on: New Year&#8217;s Resolution: Physically Separated Bike Lanes in &#8217;07</title>
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		<title>By: Otto</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-27682</link>
		<dc:creator>Otto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 17:09:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just was forwarded this video from a friend in Colorado.  Nice work guys.</description>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-27311</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jan 2007 20:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce,

I might be a little biased since I am the filmmaker, but I agree with Aaron.

It might be useful for the beginning cyclists but I have no idea how there is any comparision.  None was meant.  The NHTSA video is what it is, but we still would like the city to try some separated bike lanes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce,</p>
<p>I might be a little biased since I am the filmmaker, but I agree with Aaron.</p>
<p>It might be useful for the beginning cyclists but I have no idea how there is any comparision.  None was meant.  The NHTSA video is what it is, but we still would like the city to try some separated bike lanes.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Naparstek</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-27249</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Naparstek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 06:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;p&gt;I don&#039;t think these two videos are all that comparable. I also don&#039;t think the NHTSA video is particularly useful, at least not to the urban cyclist. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To the first point, the NYCSR video is advocating for physically separated bike lanes, a new type of bike infrastructure for New York City. The NHTSA video is providing basic tips for safe riding. The two videos are not at all trying to do the same thing.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Second, the NHTSA video seems like it could be useful to children or beginner suburban cyclists but it doesn&#039;t do much of anything to address the big challenges that urban commuters face regularly. Tips on riding in heavy traffic or dealing with pedestrians or potholes or double parked cars or big trucks would be useful. Wear a helmet and check your tires? Not so useful. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think these two videos are all that comparable. I also don&#8217;t think the NHTSA video is particularly useful, at least not to the urban cyclist. </p>
<p>To the first point, the NYCSR video is advocating for physically separated bike lanes, a new type of bike infrastructure for New York City. The NHTSA video is providing basic tips for safe riding. The two videos are not at all trying to do the same thing.  </p>
<p>Second, the NHTSA video seems like it could be useful to children or beginner suburban cyclists but it doesn&#8217;t do much of anything to address the big challenges that urban commuters face regularly. Tips on riding in heavy traffic or dealing with pedestrians or potholes or double parked cars or big trucks would be useful. Wear a helmet and check your tires? Not so useful. </p>
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		<title>By: Bruce R.</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-27247</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jan 2007 05:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMHO, the NHTSA&#039;s* video does a better
job of explaining how to deal with the challenges of cycling for transportation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdrrxIpQpt4

*National Highway Traffic Safety Administration</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMHO, the NHTSA&#8217;s* video does a better<br />
job of explaining how to deal with the challenges of cycling for transportation:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdrrxIpQpt4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdrrxIpQpt4</a></p>
<p>*National Highway Traffic Safety Administration</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-27061</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jan 2007 06:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex,

Hope you are checking back...see here

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cycles/company/standards.shtml

That should get you started.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex,</p>
<p>Hope you are checking back&#8230;see here</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cycles/company/standards.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.tfl.gov.uk/cycles/company/standards.shtml</a></p>
<p>That should get you started.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Reutter</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-27034</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Reutter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2007 21:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just past the 3:00 mark in the video, Caroline Samponaro of Transportation Alternatives mentions the London design manual.  Is this document publicly available online and is it any good?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just past the 3:00 mark in the video, Caroline Samponaro of Transportation Alternatives mentions the London design manual.  Is this document publicly available online and is it any good?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-26974</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jan 2007 21:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know, the midtown portion of the East River Esplanade is one of the few places in Manhattan where the city has current plans to install physically separate bike paths.  Unfortunately, the City has just closed access to a crucial access ramp, further isolating the southernmost half-mile of the Upper East Side Greenway from the rest of the city&#039;s bike network.

The ramp, which allowed bicyclists access to a bridge over the F.D.R. connecting the southern terminus of the UES Greenway and East 62nd Street has been closed.  Bicyclists are now required to carry bikes up a temporary stair.  There is a sign stating that the ramp is only &quot;temporarily&quot; closed, but I am not too hopeful.  The city has studied the feasibility of extending the East River Greenway between 50th and 61st Street, but it has no plans to do so before 2018 (http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/mwg/maps_2_3_3.shtml ).  Even as other portions of the East Side Greenway further south--such as the United Nations portion due for completion in 2008 ( http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/mwg/maps_2_3_1.shtml )--are completed on time, the lack of a ramp at 62nd street will leave those new portions isolated from the rest of the network.  So this &quot;temporary&quot; 62nd St. bridge closure represents &quot;two steps back&quot; in relation to any future &quot;step forward&quot; for physically separate bike lanes in East Midtown.

The city has not erected signs warning southbound Greenway bicyclists to exit at 72nd Street if they wish to avoid the stairs, but that is the now the southernmost point at which bicyclists can access the UES segment of the Greenway without portage.  Here are some pics of what&#039;s in store if you decide to venture south of 72nd, as well as of the FDR service road that the city is building at fabulous expense instead of extending the Greenway:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/43954081@N00/sets/72157594483481393/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know, the midtown portion of the East River Esplanade is one of the few places in Manhattan where the city has current plans to install physically separate bike paths.  Unfortunately, the City has just closed access to a crucial access ramp, further isolating the southernmost half-mile of the Upper East Side Greenway from the rest of the city&#8217;s bike network.</p>
<p>The ramp, which allowed bicyclists access to a bridge over the F.D.R. connecting the southern terminus of the UES Greenway and East 62nd Street has been closed.  Bicyclists are now required to carry bikes up a temporary stair.  There is a sign stating that the ramp is only &#8220;temporarily&#8221; closed, but I am not too hopeful.  The city has studied the feasibility of extending the East River Greenway between 50th and 61st Street, but it has no plans to do so before 2018 (<a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/mwg/maps_2_3_3.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/mwg/maps_2_3_3.shtml</a> ).  Even as other portions of the East Side Greenway further south&#8211;such as the United Nations portion due for completion in 2008 ( <a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/mwg/maps_2_3_1.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/html/mwg/maps_2_3_1.shtml</a> )&#8211;are completed on time, the lack of a ramp at 62nd street will leave those new portions isolated from the rest of the network.  So this &#8220;temporary&#8221; 62nd St. bridge closure represents &#8220;two steps back&#8221; in relation to any future &#8220;step forward&#8221; for physically separate bike lanes in East Midtown.</p>
<p>The city has not erected signs warning southbound Greenway bicyclists to exit at 72nd Street if they wish to avoid the stairs, but that is the now the southernmost point at which bicyclists can access the UES segment of the Greenway without portage.  Here are some pics of what&#8217;s in store if you decide to venture south of 72nd, as well as of the FDR service road that the city is building at fabulous expense instead of extending the Greenway:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/43954081@N00/sets/72157594483481393/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/43954081@N00/sets/72157594483481393/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-26901</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan,

Geez, way to go above and beyond!  Thanks for the linkage and all, and as I always say, just contact us if you want DVDs to support your mission.  All of our stuff is Creative Commons, so the pieces exist for the good of the world and changing it for the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan,</p>
<p>Geez, way to go above and beyond!  Thanks for the linkage and all, and as I always say, just contact us if you want DVDs to support your mission.  All of our stuff is Creative Commons, so the pieces exist for the good of the world and changing it for the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Doig</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-26843</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Doig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jan 2007 07:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic video! It was posted by Bicycle NSW to all local Bicycle User Groups in New South Wales, Australia.

I&#039;ve linked to it from our BUG site
http://www.sharkbike.org.au

For the link I created an animated GIF with screenshots from the video - a kind of teaser. Of course you&#039;re welcome to copy it to your site and offer it to others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic video! It was posted by Bicycle NSW to all local Bicycle User Groups in New South Wales, Australia.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve linked to it from our BUG site<br />
<a href="http://www.sharkbike.org.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.sharkbike.org.au</a></p>
<p>For the link I created an animated GIF with screenshots from the video &#8211; a kind of teaser. Of course you&#8217;re welcome to copy it to your site and offer it to others.</p>
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		<title>By: Shirley Secunda</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-26788</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirley Secunda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2007 18:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clear, concise, a great primer for how to design safe, comfortable and workable bike lanes.  Now to get these changes into action - we need them desperately!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clear, concise, a great primer for how to design safe, comfortable and workable bike lanes.  Now to get these changes into action &#8211; we need them desperately!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Milburn</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-26733</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Milburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome!!  Really well done.  We here in Maritime Canada are watching with interest.  Our situation is a microcosm of yours, hope to see NY lead so that we can use your example.
-Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome!!  Really well done.  We here in Maritime Canada are watching with interest.  Our situation is a microcosm of yours, hope to see NY lead so that we can use your example.<br />
-Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-26708</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jan 2007 17:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

Hopefully with the energy being generated by the video, NYC and other cities will now start to consider some separated paths and get us more in line with the rest of the civilized world.  

Appreciate the feedback as always.  If you need some copies on DVD to help advocate, make sure to hit me at trorb(at)earthlink.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Hopefully with the energy being generated by the video, NYC and other cities will now start to consider some separated paths and get us more in line with the rest of the civilized world.  </p>
<p>Appreciate the feedback as always.  If you need some copies on DVD to help advocate, make sure to hit me at trorb(at)earthlink.net</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Carlsson</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-26403</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Carlsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Clarence, for putting together a nice, simple advocacy piece for separate bikeways. I&#039;ve been advocating for this since the mid-1980s in San Francisco (based in part on my visits to Copenhagen), but it has never gained much support. It seems so obvious that the way to get A LOT of new people to cycle is to provide them a safe place to ride (the most common reason given for not cycling is how dangerous the streets are). The &quot;effective&quot; cyclist crowd turned out again and again to torpedo separate bikeways here in SF when we were having a whole new round of planning in the early 1990s. Now we have a bunch of striped bikeways (which have contributed to an increase in cycling on their own, regardless of their abject inadequacy; also proving that infrastructure changes do cause motorists to pay more attention, a noticeable improvement here in SF over years past) and a missed opportunity. The Valencia corridor has seen a HUGE increase in daily cycling since the striped lanes went in, but a recent plan for a &quot;Great Street&quot; redesign totally dropped the ball by not going for the new streetscape as outlined in this video. Well, we can hope that New Yorkers will push for some of this, and maybe, someday, we can proceed to a civilized urban environment like Copenhagen or other northern European cities (or Bogota for that matter) that provide safe, separate bikeways throughout the urban environment... It&#039;s looooonnggg overdue...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Clarence, for putting together a nice, simple advocacy piece for separate bikeways. I&#8217;ve been advocating for this since the mid-1980s in San Francisco (based in part on my visits to Copenhagen), but it has never gained much support. It seems so obvious that the way to get A LOT of new people to cycle is to provide them a safe place to ride (the most common reason given for not cycling is how dangerous the streets are). The &#8220;effective&#8221; cyclist crowd turned out again and again to torpedo separate bikeways here in SF when we were having a whole new round of planning in the early 1990s. Now we have a bunch of striped bikeways (which have contributed to an increase in cycling on their own, regardless of their abject inadequacy; also proving that infrastructure changes do cause motorists to pay more attention, a noticeable improvement here in SF over years past) and a missed opportunity. The Valencia corridor has seen a HUGE increase in daily cycling since the striped lanes went in, but a recent plan for a &#8220;Great Street&#8221; redesign totally dropped the ball by not going for the new streetscape as outlined in this video. Well, we can hope that New Yorkers will push for some of this, and maybe, someday, we can proceed to a civilized urban environment like Copenhagen or other northern European cities (or Bogota for that matter) that provide safe, separate bikeways throughout the urban environment&#8230; It&#8217;s looooonnggg overdue&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tine</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-26338</link>
		<dc:creator>Tine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another good video - this site is outstanding.  I am on a great Boston listserve which linked to you guys.

http://www.livablestreets.info/node/925</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another good video &#8211; this site is outstanding.  I am on a great Boston listserve which linked to you guys.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.livablestreets.info/node/925" rel="nofollow">http://www.livablestreets.info/node/925</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Sallaberry</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-26053</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Sallaberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to add to my earlier comment (#26) that I think it is worth trying a separated bike lane if conditions dictate that it&#039;s the best solution, and NYC does seem to provide some compelling conditions to at least try such a bikeway.  I just suggest being honest with how these facilities work and don&#039;t work.  People on each side of this issue tend to be vehement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to add to my earlier comment (#26) that I think it is worth trying a separated bike lane if conditions dictate that it&#8217;s the best solution, and NYC does seem to provide some compelling conditions to at least try such a bikeway.  I just suggest being honest with how these facilities work and don&#8217;t work.  People on each side of this issue tend to be vehement.</p>
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		<title>By: Portland Believer</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-25810</link>
		<dc:creator>Portland Believer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 02:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the video but this will be a tough sell.  Still - keep it up, it seems you guys are providing leadership and research that your government will hopefully use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the video but this will be a tough sell.  Still &#8211; keep it up, it seems you guys are providing leadership and research that your government will hopefully use.</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-25352</link>
		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 06:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much like a politician, I had lots of opinions before I even watched the video.  I just did.  It&#039;s great.  Made me realize that even though I would love to see my own bike lane design (which does NOT physically separate--and is coming soon!! (yawn)) implemented around the City, that doesn&#039;t mean I have to be opposed to the City&#039;s use ALSO of physically-separated lanes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much like a politician, I had lots of opinions before I even watched the video.  I just did.  It&#8217;s great.  Made me realize that even though I would love to see my own bike lane design (which does NOT physically separate&#8211;and is coming soon!! (yawn)) implemented around the City, that doesn&#8217;t mean I have to be opposed to the City&#8217;s use ALSO of physically-separated lanes.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen McGee Treat</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-25336</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen McGee Treat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jan 2007 02:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW! Thanks for these strong videos (Separated Bike Lanes and Penalosa and David Byrne Ride Bikes)- and delightful, too. The BIG question is does Mayor Mike see these...and if not how to arrange...John Liu? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW! Thanks for these strong videos (Separated Bike Lanes and Penalosa and David Byrne Ride Bikes)- and delightful, too. The BIG question is does Mayor Mike see these&#8230;and if not how to arrange&#8230;John Liu? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 23:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You get an A in my book, dartley--I agree with you, with the proviso that you obviously can&#039;t travel in even a semi-guantleted bike lane as fast as in the traffic lane.  Under those conditions, bicyclists&#039; choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You get an A in my book, dartley&#8211;I agree with you, with the proviso that you obviously can&#8217;t travel in even a semi-guantleted bike lane as fast as in the traffic lane.  Under those conditions, bicyclists&#8217; choice.</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2007/01/02/the-case-for-physically-separated-bike-lanes/comment-page-1/#comment-25305</link>
		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jan 2007 22:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve got to argue with those of you who warn AGAINST the idea of forcing double-parkers to double-park OUTSIDE of Class II bike lanes and IN an adjacent CAR lane.  Some of you fear that that would &quot;force cyclists to ride between two columns of parked cars,&quot; increasing the chance of dooring and collisions.  I think the adjacent car lane IS the best place for double-parkers to stand.

**btw, forgive me if I&#039;m using the phrase &quot;Class II&quot; wrongly.  I believe it refers to the &quot;standard bike lane&quot;â€”i.e., the kind on the side of the road with just two white stripes a few feet apart (and sometimes a buffer area)â€”that&#039;s what I mean when I say &quot;Class II&quot; in this comment.  (Someone tell me if that&#039;s wrong, please!)**

First, I, for one, can&#039;t imagine any real likelihood of &quot;columns&quot; of double-parked cars forming alongside bike lanes, because you rarely see a column of double-parked cars anywhere.  Yes, double-parking is pathologically common, but not so common that &quot;columns&quot; often form.  

Second, cyclists in such a lane, riding between legal parkers and, more realistically a HANDFUL of double-parkers, can generally see into the double-parked cars, and tell whether those cars are likely to suddenly invade the cyclist&#039;s space.    

Third, I actually saw such an arrangement, and it looked and felt quite safe!  As luck would have it, just yesterday I happened upon the following scene in Manhattanâ€™s 8th Ave. Class II lane in W. 50s.  From left to right:  1, the normal column of legal parkers, 2, the bike lane, then 3, some double-parkers (clear of the bike lane, and fully in the CAR lane).  I must say that was the ONLY time that that lane has ever looked to me like a safe place to rideâ€”and surprisingly, between the legal parkers and the one or two double-parkers, it actually seemed roomy (but only for single-file cyclists, of course)!  

Fourth, and most importantly, I suspect that staying in a straight line in such a clear bike lane, even &quot;between two columns of parked cars,&quot; is safer (and more fun) than weaving into and out of car traffic (and into and out of visibility) almost once every block.

Of course I wish we weren&#039;t even discussing this, because as I&#039;ve often blathered, I don&#039;t even like Class II lanes.  I think Class II lanes and, to a lesser extent, even buffered Class II lanes, are fatally flawed by being on the roadâ€™s margin.  BUT, I make this lengthy rebuttal because I suspect they&#039;re going to be with us for a while, even in spite of the City&#039;s planned expansion of bike routes, in spite of the excitement here about physically separated lanes, AND even if I magically get the City to look at (and like) my soon-to-be-finished alternative bike lane design!

To recap this treatise, I have long thought that the most effective way to protect Class II lanes from being rendered useless by double-parkers (like they are every day, at almost every other block!) would be to 1. acknowledge that condoned double-parking is probably not going away soon, plus 2. compel double-parkers to park not in a bike lane, but in the adjacent car lane.  

Remember, double-parking in a bike lane hurts three groups of people (cyclists, legal parkers, and other motorists, because a car in a bike lane is so wide that it obstructs the adjacent car lane too)â€”double-parking in a CAR lane hurts only one group (motorists)â€”who are hurt by double-parking in a bike lane!  For all this, I suggest that double-parking in a car lane adjacent to a Class II lane is indeed better for cyclists, and in fact everyone.  If Streetsblog were my 8th Grade English class, Iâ€™d totally be getting an A for this one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got to argue with those of you who warn AGAINST the idea of forcing double-parkers to double-park OUTSIDE of Class II bike lanes and IN an adjacent CAR lane.  Some of you fear that that would &#8220;force cyclists to ride between two columns of parked cars,&#8221; increasing the chance of dooring and collisions.  I think the adjacent car lane IS the best place for double-parkers to stand.</p>
<p>**btw, forgive me if I&#8217;m using the phrase &#8220;Class II&#8221; wrongly.  I believe it refers to the &#8220;standard bike lane&#8221;â€”i.e., the kind on the side of the road with just two white stripes a few feet apart (and sometimes a buffer area)â€”that&#8217;s what I mean when I say &#8220;Class II&#8221; in this comment.  (Someone tell me if that&#8217;s wrong, please!)**</p>
<p>First, I, for one, can&#8217;t imagine any real likelihood of &#8220;columns&#8221; of double-parked cars forming alongside bike lanes, because you rarely see a column of double-parked cars anywhere.  Yes, double-parking is pathologically common, but not so common that &#8220;columns&#8221; often form.  </p>
<p>Second, cyclists in such a lane, riding between legal parkers and, more realistically a HANDFUL of double-parkers, can generally see into the double-parked cars, and tell whether those cars are likely to suddenly invade the cyclist&#8217;s space.    </p>
<p>Third, I actually saw such an arrangement, and it looked and felt quite safe!  As luck would have it, just yesterday I happened upon the following scene in Manhattanâ€™s 8th Ave. Class II lane in W. 50s.  From left to right:  1, the normal column of legal parkers, 2, the bike lane, then 3, some double-parkers (clear of the bike lane, and fully in the CAR lane).  I must say that was the ONLY time that that lane has ever looked to me like a safe place to rideâ€”and surprisingly, between the legal parkers and the one or two double-parkers, it actually seemed roomy (but only for single-file cyclists, of course)!  </p>
<p>Fourth, and most importantly, I suspect that staying in a straight line in such a clear bike lane, even &#8220;between two columns of parked cars,&#8221; is safer (and more fun) than weaving into and out of car traffic (and into and out of visibility) almost once every block.</p>
<p>Of course I wish we weren&#8217;t even discussing this, because as I&#8217;ve often blathered, I don&#8217;t even like Class II lanes.  I think Class II lanes and, to a lesser extent, even buffered Class II lanes, are fatally flawed by being on the roadâ€™s margin.  BUT, I make this lengthy rebuttal because I suspect they&#8217;re going to be with us for a while, even in spite of the City&#8217;s planned expansion of bike routes, in spite of the excitement here about physically separated lanes, AND even if I magically get the City to look at (and like) my soon-to-be-finished alternative bike lane design!</p>
<p>To recap this treatise, I have long thought that the most effective way to protect Class II lanes from being rendered useless by double-parkers (like they are every day, at almost every other block!) would be to 1. acknowledge that condoned double-parking is probably not going away soon, plus 2. compel double-parkers to park not in a bike lane, but in the adjacent car lane.  </p>
<p>Remember, double-parking in a bike lane hurts three groups of people (cyclists, legal parkers, and other motorists, because a car in a bike lane is so wide that it obstructs the adjacent car lane too)â€”double-parking in a CAR lane hurts only one group (motorists)â€”who are hurt by double-parking in a bike lane!  For all this, I suggest that double-parking in a car lane adjacent to a Class II lane is indeed better for cyclists, and in fact everyone.  If Streetsblog were my 8th Grade English class, Iâ€™d totally be getting an A for this one.</p>
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