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	<title>Comments on: Traffic Relief Advocates: Meet Your Opponents</title>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/12/06/traffic-relief-advocates-meet-your-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-25527</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 08:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much talk about London. Check out the results from a much more sophisticated congestion charging solution tested in Stockholm, Sweden, last year. 

Public opinion swinged in favour as people learned that the benefits from reduced congestion far outweigh the low ($1-3) fee per passage. Especially delivery truck drivers and heavy commuters turned around and favoured the concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much talk about London. Check out the results from a much more sophisticated congestion charging solution tested in Stockholm, Sweden, last year. </p>
<p>Public opinion swinged in favour as people learned that the benefits from reduced congestion far outweigh the low ($1-3) fee per passage. Especially delivery truck drivers and heavy commuters turned around and favoured the concept.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Dec 2006 02:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an idea: Get rid of the Williamsburg Bridge, FDR Drive, Harlem River Drive, West Side Highway, Henry Hudson Parkway, Battery Park Underpass, South Street Viaduct, Long Island Expressway, Major Deegan Expressway, Staten Island Expressway, Cross-Bronx Expressway, Gowanus Expressway, Belt Parkway, Northern State Parkway, Southern State Parkway, Hutchinson River Parkway, Broadway, Park Avenue, West Street, 42nd Street, Lexington Avenue, Eighth Avenue, Seventh Avenue, Sixth Avenue, Houston Street, 59th Street, Varick Street, Brooklyn Queens Expressway, Grand Central Parkway, Van Wyck Expressway, Whitestone Expressway, Throgs Neck Expressway, Cross Island Parkway, Belt Parkway, Shore Parkway, Sheridan Expressway, Bruckner Expressway, Bronx River Parkway, Prospect Expressway, and any other expressways that I forgot. Then replace all major streets in Manhattan with streetcar lines, and all the minor ones with pedestrian malls. Removing all the expressways would ease traffic. And besides, think about how people got around before cars were invented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here's an idea: Get rid of the Williamsburg Bridge, FDR Drive, Harlem River Drive, West Side Highway, Henry Hudson Parkway, Battery Park Underpass, South Street Viaduct, Long Island Expressway, Major Deegan Expressway, Staten Island Expressway, Cross-Bronx Expressway, Gowanus Expressway, Belt Parkway, Northern State Parkway, Southern State Parkway, Hutchinson River Parkway, Broadway, Park Avenue, West Street, 42nd Street, Lexington Avenue, Eighth Avenue, Seventh Avenue, Sixth Avenue, Houston Street, 59th Street, Varick Street, Brooklyn Queens Expressway, Grand Central Parkway, Van Wyck Expressway, Whitestone Expressway, Throgs Neck Expressway, Cross Island Parkway, Belt Parkway, Shore Parkway, Sheridan Expressway, Bruckner Expressway, Bronx River Parkway, Prospect Expressway, and any other expressways that I forgot. Then replace all major streets in Manhattan with streetcar lines, and all the minor ones with pedestrian malls. Removing all the expressways would ease traffic. And besides, think about how people got around before cars were invented.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brent is right--I lived in LIC near the Citicorp behemoth during most of the 1990s, and pass-through traffic between the Q&#039;boro and the LIE was one of the major drags on the neighborhood (along with the general lack of business and services owing to the dearth of residential housing). The local pols are obsessed developing a power base among the new developments at the tip of Hunter&#039;s Point, and those developments have their own system of newly laid roads that don&#039;t get any of the through traffic.  Since few want to live where I was in &quot;Upper Hunter&#039;s Point,&quot; even next to oh-so-cool P.S. 1, there are few restaurants and other amenities to draw tourists from Manhattan.  On the other hand, this means that artists can still find affordable loft space there.  That&#039;s no longer the case on the Brooklyn waterfront near Manhattan where the Manhattan tourists decided to stay.  The continuing economic viability for artists is a perverse benefit of congestion in LIC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brent is right--I lived in LIC near the Citicorp behemoth during most of the 1990s, and pass-through traffic between the Q'boro and the LIE was one of the major drags on the neighborhood (along with the general lack of business and services owing to the dearth of residential housing). The local pols are obsessed developing a power base among the new developments at the tip of Hunter's Point, and those developments have their own system of newly laid roads that don't get any of the through traffic.  Since few want to live where I was in "Upper Hunter's Point," even next to oh-so-cool P.S. 1, there are few restaurants and other amenities to draw tourists from Manhattan.  On the other hand, this means that artists can still find affordable loft space there.  That's no longer the case on the Brooklyn waterfront near Manhattan where the Manhattan tourists decided to stay.  The continuing economic viability for artists is a perverse benefit of congestion in LIC.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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  &lt;p&gt;People have to write letters to this CB2 fellow and try to help him understand this issue better. Congestion charging could be a huge boon for LIC. Not only would it reduce needless through-traffic but it could also keep some discretionary dollars in LIC and help businesses develop there. &lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People have to write letters to this CB2 fellow and try to help him understand this issue better. Congestion charging could be a huge boon for LIC. Not only would it reduce needless through-traffic but it could also keep some discretionary dollars in LIC and help businesses develop there. </p>
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		<title>By: brent</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/12/06/traffic-relief-advocates-meet-your-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-15443</link>
		<dc:creator>brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron, ABG- Here it what is so confounding about the fact that LIC political figures oppose congestion charges. The traffic in this area is 99% just passing through and LIC decided long ago to accommodate the cars. No one stops in LIC to support the few local businesses or considers it a destination, despite the recent spate of gentrification. Compare this to other free entry points into NY such as Williamsburg or DUMBO. These areas have a few fortunate design advantages that have discouraged through traffic even though they are by no means serene and auto free. I think this is a huge part of the reason that these neighborhoods are so vibrant and interesting to the point that they get â€œtouristsâ€ from Manhattan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, ABG- Here it what is so confounding about the fact that LIC political figures oppose congestion charges. The traffic in this area is 99% just passing through and LIC decided long ago to accommodate the cars. No one stops in LIC to support the few local businesses or considers it a destination, despite the recent spate of gentrification. Compare this to other free entry points into NY such as Williamsburg or DUMBO. These areas have a few fortunate design advantages that have discouraged through traffic even though they are by no means serene and auto free. I think this is a huge part of the reason that these neighborhoods are so vibrant and interesting to the point that they get â€œtouristsâ€ from Manhattan.</p>
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		<title>By: steveo</title>
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		<dc:creator>steveo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 17:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Sproule.  Incomes were also studied in the Who Will Pay? study (linked above in  Komanoff â€” December 6, 2006 @ 10:25 pm).

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Compared to their neighbors who donâ€™t drive to work via an East River bridge, bridge commuters earn, on average, $14,300 a year more â€” enough to cover a solo driverâ€™s annual bridge tolls almost ten times over. See Section 7.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Sproule.  Incomes were also studied in the Who Will Pay? study (linked above in  Komanoff â€” December 6, 2006 @ 10:25 pm).</p>
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Compared to their neighbors who donâ€™t drive to work via an East River bridge, bridge commuters earn, on average, $14,300 a year more â€” enough to cover a solo driverâ€™s annual bridge tolls almost ten times over. See Section 7.
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		<title>By: ABG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ABG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron, thanks for pointing out that LIC is a choke point.  LIC, Sunnyside and Woodside are clogged with unnecessary bridge traffic.  That&#039;s why it&#039;s especially frustrating to see Joe Conley of Community Board 2 in that picture.  He really ought to know better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, thanks for pointing out that LIC is a choke point.  LIC, Sunnyside and Woodside are clogged with unnecessary bridge traffic.  That's why it's especially frustrating to see Joe Conley of Community Board 2 in that picture.  He really ought to know better.</p>
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		<title>By: Sproule</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/12/06/traffic-relief-advocates-meet-your-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-15394</link>
		<dc:creator>Sproule</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 14:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you look at incomes of that small group of people who do commute by car over the East River? This was a point of debate in the Brian Lehrer show on congestion pricing earlier this week - the contention was made that only wealthier people were commuting into London by car before the higher tolls went into effect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you look at incomes of that small group of people who do commute by car over the East River? This was a point of debate in the Brian Lehrer show on congestion pricing earlier this week - the contention was made that only wealthier people were commuting into London by car before the higher tolls went into effect.</p>
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		<title>By: Komanoff</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/12/06/traffic-relief-advocates-meet-your-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-15274</link>
		<dc:creator>Komanoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 03:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description> &lt;p&gt;Mike --&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Steve (O&#039;Neill) and I broke down East River bridge commuters by borough but no further. Here are numbers for Queens:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;# of adults (ages 18-80): 1,617,000. Of whom 1.4% (23,400) currently commute into Manhattan (i.e., travel more or less daily) on a free E Riv bridge. (Another 0.7%, 11,900, are passengers in those 23,400 vehicles.) Not included in the 1.4% are Queens commuters who use tolled MTA facilities.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is from our &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bridgetolls.org/whowillpay/whowillpay_revised.pdf&quot;&gt;Who Will Pa&lt;/a&gt;y? report, in 2003.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amazing, isn&#039;t it, how such a tiny slice of the population can exert such a hold on politicos and government.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, I was impressed that no electeds from Brooklyn were in the City Hall photo. Could that be a hopeful sign?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike --</p>
<p>Steve (O'Neill) and I broke down East River bridge commuters by borough but no further. Here are numbers for Queens:</p>
<p># of adults (ages 18-80): 1,617,000. Of whom 1.4% (23,400) currently commute into Manhattan (i.e., travel more or less daily) on a free E Riv bridge. (Another 0.7%, 11,900, are passengers in those 23,400 vehicles.) Not included in the 1.4% are Queens commuters who use tolled MTA facilities.</p>
<p>This is from our <a href="http://www.bridgetolls.org/whowillpay/whowillpay_revised.pdf">Who Will Pa</a>y? report, in 2003.</p>
<p>Amazing, isn't it, how such a tiny slice of the population can exert such a hold on politicos and government.</p>
<p>BTW, I was impressed that no electeds from Brooklyn were in the City Hall photo. Could that be a hopeful sign?</p>
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		<title>By: jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 02:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>judging by the photo, looks like some of these pro-traffic, pro-auto peeps would benefit from gettin outta there cars and riding a bike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>judging by the photo, looks like some of these pro-traffic, pro-auto peeps would benefit from gettin outta there cars and riding a bike.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one from Brooklyn there.  Anyone know why?  We have plenty of idiot politicians in our boro too.

I&#039;d love to know how many of Weprin&#039;s constituents drive into Manhattan each day and what they&#039;re average income is.Would the Komanoff/O&#039;Neil bridge-toll data give us some insight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one from Brooklyn there.  Anyone know why?  We have plenty of idiot politicians in our boro too.</p>
<p>I'd love to know how many of Weprin's constituents drive into Manhattan each day and what they're average income is.Would the Komanoff/O'Neil bridge-toll data give us some insight?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicolo Macchiavelli</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/12/06/traffic-relief-advocates-meet-your-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-15265</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicolo Macchiavelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Dec 2006 01:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess you guys know my line by now but I can&quot;t help but repeat it after the latest in a long line of techno salvationists.  This is all about politics, political-economy actually.

Who is the most important outer-burough politician who supports congestion pricing?

Who is the most important Mayoral candidate in any burough who supports congestion pricing?

Even when all of NYC is together on an issue it is very difficult to push through Albany which must be done because city residents rule really very little of their home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess you guys know my line by now but I can"t help but repeat it after the latest in a long line of techno salvationists.  This is all about politics, political-economy actually.</p>
<p>Who is the most important outer-burough politician who supports congestion pricing?</p>
<p>Who is the most important Mayoral candidate in any burough who supports congestion pricing?</p>
<p>Even when all of NYC is together on an issue it is very difficult to push through Albany which must be done because city residents rule really very little of their home.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Capron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Capron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is everyone still debating 20th Century solutions, when 21st Century solutions could be implemented faster.

Get on the keyboard to your elected official and challenge them to start the CHALLENGE to eliminate multi-vehicle accidents, halve vehicle insurance, eliminate traffic congestion, and raise average passenger miles per gallon above 50 pmpg with a net decrease in everyoneâ€™s transportation expense by 2020.

If you arenâ€™t already aware that we have the technology, ask a few visionary Intelligent Transportation Systems experts (not the ones still hung-up on drive-by tolls or automated signs).  If you want to know how to organize a CHALLENGE ask the Defense Acquisition, Research, and Procurement Agency (DARPA).  For more specifics google â€˜V2V GMâ€™ or â€˜Guardian Angel Carsâ€™ or â€˜Car2Carâ€™ or â€˜Vehicle Infrastructure Integrationâ€™ or â€œDARPA Urban Challenge.â€

This technology is happening anyway, but many more of us will die (43,000 Americans per year)and it won&#039;t be safe for pedestrians and bicycles unless you convince elected leaders to run the CHALLENGE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is everyone still debating 20th Century solutions, when 21st Century solutions could be implemented faster.</p>
<p>Get on the keyboard to your elected official and challenge them to start the CHALLENGE to eliminate multi-vehicle accidents, halve vehicle insurance, eliminate traffic congestion, and raise average passenger miles per gallon above 50 pmpg with a net decrease in everyoneâ€™s transportation expense by 2020.</p>
<p>If you arenâ€™t already aware that we have the technology, ask a few visionary Intelligent Transportation Systems experts (not the ones still hung-up on drive-by tolls or automated signs).  If you want to know how to organize a CHALLENGE ask the Defense Acquisition, Research, and Procurement Agency (DARPA).  For more specifics google â€˜V2V GMâ€™ or â€˜Guardian Angel Carsâ€™ or â€˜Car2Carâ€™ or â€˜Vehicle Infrastructure Integrationâ€™ or â€œDARPA Urban Challenge.â€</p>
<p>This technology is happening anyway, but many more of us will die (43,000 Americans per year)and it won't be safe for pedestrians and bicycles unless you convince elected leaders to run the CHALLENGE.</p>
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		<title>By: Lane Wyden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lane Wyden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t that Kenny in the back row left?</description>
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		<title>By: David Chesler</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Chesler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is bad because it creates a shortage of parking spaces at those places where are served well by subways into Manhattan but served poorly by public transit further out into the borough or suburbia.  (If they were well served, then the bimodal commuter would only drive in as far as the outermost place that isn&#039;t well served and park THERE.)

Lack of parking is bad for a local business that depends on customers driving to the business; it is bad for the residents who have adapted to the status quo on public parking.  Many of these residents have cars because they don&#039;t always want to go to Manhattan.

I am not making any comment about the net effect, nor about how many commuters who formerly drove into the congestion-priced region will go that far instead of driving to a commuter rail station nearer to them, just pointing out the downside that is perceived by those neighborhoods.  Key phrase: &quot;our streets&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is bad because it creates a shortage of parking spaces at those places where are served well by subways into Manhattan but served poorly by public transit further out into the borough or suburbia.  (If they were well served, then the bimodal commuter would only drive in as far as the outermost place that isn't well served and park THERE.)</p>
<p>Lack of parking is bad for a local business that depends on customers driving to the business; it is bad for the residents who have adapted to the status quo on public parking.  Many of these residents have cars because they don't always want to go to Manhattan.</p>
<p>I am not making any comment about the net effect, nor about how many commuters who formerly drove into the congestion-priced region will go that far instead of driving to a commuter rail station nearer to them, just pointing out the downside that is perceived by those neighborhoods.  Key phrase: "our streets"</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 18:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;People will be parking on our streets and taking subways into Manhattan.&quot;

And this is BAD why?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"People will be parking on our streets and taking subways into Manhattan."</p>
<p>And this is BAD why?!</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/12/06/traffic-relief-advocates-meet-your-opponents/comment-page-1/#comment-15175</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The frustrating thing about the comments at this press conference is that most of the alternative proposals--like better enforcement of traffic laws and improvements in mass transit--and insincere and voiced only to make the anti-congestion pricing agenda appear reasonable.  I will be shocked if CM Sears does anything to study the environmental impact of trucks, if CM Weprin does anything about enforcement, or if AAA advocates BRT again.

Speaking of parking enforcement and congestion, I learned today that New York City already has a congestion pricing plan of sorts: the &quot;Commercial Collections&quot; and &quot;Stipulated Fine&quot; programs of the Department of Finance.  
Under these programs, commercial parking violators may violate certain lesser parking laws with impunity, and more serious ones for as little as 25% of the cost you or I would pay, in return for agreeing in advance not to contest tickets they do receive.  The effect of these programs is that the city sells to private businesses the right to create congestion with unlawful parking--analogous and more objectionable than the goal of the proposed congestion pricing program now under debate, under which the city would sell the right to create congestion through lawful entry onto the local streets of midtown and lower Manhattan.

Here is the relevant page at Department of Finance:  

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dof/html/parking/park_commercial_fleet.shtml

Under the programs, the parking violations of a participant are classified  as &quot;amenable,&quot; &quot;partially amenable,&quot; or &quot;not amenable&quot; to adjustment, based on the type and severity of violation (no details are provided).  DoF explains:  

&quot;In lieu of contesting their tickets, participants in the program receive the following benefits automatically:

- All amenable violations are dismissed. 

- Partially amenable violations are reduced by about 75% of the scheduled fine.

- Nonamenable violations are reduced by about 15% of the scheduled fine.&quot;

The DoF further states: &quot;This program requires participating companies to make good-faith efforts to comply with New York City Traffic Rules. . . .&quot;  But while the program application requires the applicant to certify a number of things, the applicant&#039;s agreement to &quot;make good-faith efforts to comply with New York City Traffic Rules&quot; is NOT one of them. Perhaps NOTHING is done to foster general compliance with traffic rules among program participants.

It seems to me inevitable this this program encourages certain types of routine parking violations--whichever have been classified as &quot;amenable.&quot;  those violations come at zero cost to the participant (there is no cost to joint the program and no apparent processing charge or other &quot;transaction cost&quot; for a dismissed ticket).  Thus program participants are given an incentive to commit violations instead of, say, paying $0.25 to park at an available metered space. My guess is that the cops know which are the &quot;amenable&quot; violations, and refrain from ticketing any commercial driver for them in the first place on the assumption that if the violator is a program participant, the city is paid nothing.   

I wonder how &quot;amenable&quot; certain violations are, such as vanilla double-parking, double-parking in a bike lane, or parking in a crosswalk is.  I have written a letter to DoF about this; let&#039;s see what they say.  In any event, it seems clear that the city is already selling the right to congest the streets UNLAWFULLY; so how can there be principled opposition to a program to sell the right to congest the streets lawfully, through congestion charging?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The frustrating thing about the comments at this press conference is that most of the alternative proposals--like better enforcement of traffic laws and improvements in mass transit--and insincere and voiced only to make the anti-congestion pricing agenda appear reasonable.  I will be shocked if CM Sears does anything to study the environmental impact of trucks, if CM Weprin does anything about enforcement, or if AAA advocates BRT again.</p>
<p>Speaking of parking enforcement and congestion, I learned today that New York City already has a congestion pricing plan of sorts: the "Commercial Collections" and "Stipulated Fine" programs of the Department of Finance.<br />
Under these programs, commercial parking violators may violate certain lesser parking laws with impunity, and more serious ones for as little as 25% of the cost you or I would pay, in return for agreeing in advance not to contest tickets they do receive.  The effect of these programs is that the city sells to private businesses the right to create congestion with unlawful parking--analogous and more objectionable than the goal of the proposed congestion pricing program now under debate, under which the city would sell the right to create congestion through lawful entry onto the local streets of midtown and lower Manhattan.</p>
<p>Here is the relevant page at Department of Finance:  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/dof/html/parking/park_commercial_fleet.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.nyc.gov/html/dof/html/parking/park_commercial_fleet.shtml</a></p>
<p>Under the programs, the parking violations of a participant are classified  as "amenable," "partially amenable," or "not amenable" to adjustment, based on the type and severity of violation (no details are provided).  DoF explains:  </p>
<p>"In lieu of contesting their tickets, participants in the program receive the following benefits automatically:</p>
<p>- All amenable violations are dismissed. </p>
<p>- Partially amenable violations are reduced by about 75% of the scheduled fine.</p>
<p>- Nonamenable violations are reduced by about 15% of the scheduled fine."</p>
<p>The DoF further states: "This program requires participating companies to make good-faith efforts to comply with New York City Traffic Rules. . . ."  But while the program application requires the applicant to certify a number of things, the applicant's agreement to "make good-faith efforts to comply with New York City Traffic Rules" is NOT one of them. Perhaps NOTHING is done to foster general compliance with traffic rules among program participants.</p>
<p>It seems to me inevitable this this program encourages certain types of routine parking violations--whichever have been classified as "amenable."  those violations come at zero cost to the participant (there is no cost to joint the program and no apparent processing charge or other "transaction cost" for a dismissed ticket).  Thus program participants are given an incentive to commit violations instead of, say, paying $0.25 to park at an available metered space. My guess is that the cops know which are the "amenable" violations, and refrain from ticketing any commercial driver for them in the first place on the assumption that if the violator is a program participant, the city is paid nothing.   </p>
<p>I wonder how "amenable" certain violations are, such as vanilla double-parking, double-parking in a bike lane, or parking in a crosswalk is.  I have written a letter to DoF about this; let's see what they say.  In any event, it seems clear that the city is already selling the right to congest the streets UNLAWFULLY; so how can there be principled opposition to a program to sell the right to congest the streets lawfully, through congestion charging?</p>
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		<title>By: keri</title>
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		<dc:creator>keri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: parking near subways. let&#039;s buy these guys copies of shoup&#039;s book &quot;the high cost of free parking&quot;!!! they could implement parking districts  and price curb parking correctly to eliminate subway commuter parking and ensure constant turnover to benefit local shopping streets...then they could plow that meter revenue into sprucing up those streets and storefronts to make them hot destinations, alternatives to manhattan! i bet the local chambers of commerce would love the idea of controlling a little pot of money for local improvements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: parking near subways. let's buy these guys copies of shoup's book "the high cost of free parking"!!! they could implement parking districts  and price curb parking correctly to eliminate subway commuter parking and ensure constant turnover to benefit local shopping streets...then they could plow that meter revenue into sprucing up those streets and storefronts to make them hot destinations, alternatives to manhattan! i bet the local chambers of commerce would love the idea of controlling a little pot of money for local improvements.</p>
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		<title>By: brent</title>
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		<dc:creator>brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If these politicians were actually serious about enforcement, change could happen within a week. What they all know perfectly well is that enforcement doesn&#039;t work long term and can ebb and flow with the political tide. If double parking laws were enforced on a serious level, the trucking and retail interests would be hurt. Consequently they could benefit from congestion charging- more productivity, less fuel, citations, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If these politicians were actually serious about enforcement, change could happen within a week. What they all know perfectly well is that enforcement doesn't work long term and can ebb and flow with the political tide. If double parking laws were enforced on a serious level, the trucking and retail interests would be hurt. Consequently they could benefit from congestion charging- more productivity, less fuel, citations, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 17:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doubling the tolls on all of the city&#039;s bridges and tunnels would also be a very effective way to reduce the huge traffic jams, like the one I experienced last Saturday afternoon at the Holland Tunnel.  If the toll were raised from the current $6 to, say, $12, some of the people driving into Manhattan might opt for the train instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doubling the tolls on all of the city's bridges and tunnels would also be a very effective way to reduce the huge traffic jams, like the one I experienced last Saturday afternoon at the Holland Tunnel.  If the toll were raised from the current $6 to, say, $12, some of the people driving into Manhattan might opt for the train instead.</p>
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