Comments on: Hydrogen: Not as Green as it Seems http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/11/29/hydrogen-not-as-green-as-it-seems/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: tps12 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/11/29/hydrogen-not-as-green-as-it-seems/comment-page-1/#comment-13693 tps12 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:21:13 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/11/29/hydrogen-not-as-green-as-it-seems/#comment-13693 Don't forget sailboats. Don’t forget sailboats.

]]> By: Jason http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/11/29/hydrogen-not-as-green-as-it-seems/comment-page-1/#comment-13692 Jason Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:21:00 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/11/29/hydrogen-not-as-green-as-it-seems/#comment-13692 Plus, wind power is mostly produced during the hours when people need to commute via subway/light rail. Effectively eliminating the need for energy storage. Part of the energy inefficiency of automobiles is the sheer size of the vehicles designed to move 1 person around (or a few people in that rare art of carpooling). Even if we could electrify cars - we would still need to manufacture millions of vehicles and maintain milions of miles of roads. Fuel is only part of the problem, its the car itself that must be slowly phased out. Plus, wind power is mostly produced during the hours when people need to commute via subway/light rail. Effectively eliminating the need for energy storage.
Part of the energy inefficiency of automobiles is the sheer size of the vehicles designed to move 1 person around (or a few people in that rare art of carpooling). Even if we could electrify cars – we would still need to manufacture millions of vehicles and maintain milions of miles of roads. Fuel is only part of the problem, its the car itself that must be slowly phased out.

]]> By: crzwdjk http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/11/29/hydrogen-not-as-green-as-it-seems/comment-page-1/#comment-13689 crzwdjk Thu, 30 Nov 2006 16:10:45 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/11/29/hydrogen-not-as-green-as-it-seems/#comment-13689 But we already have very effective ways of running things without oil. Electricity, for example. Subways and light rail are electric, and have no inherent dependence on oil. Plus they're much more energy-efficient than cars: you wouldn't have to cover nearly as much of Texas with solar panels. And you wouldn't have to pave over nearly as much of the landscape either. But we already have very effective ways of running things without oil. Electricity, for example. Subways and light rail are electric, and have no inherent dependence on oil. Plus they’re much more energy-efficient than cars: you wouldn’t have to cover nearly as much of Texas with solar panels. And you wouldn’t have to pave over nearly as much of the landscape either.

]]> By: tps12 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/11/29/hydrogen-not-as-green-as-it-seems/comment-page-1/#comment-13681 tps12 Thu, 30 Nov 2006 15:59:15 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/11/29/hydrogen-not-as-green-as-it-seems/#comment-13681 Sure, hydrogen comes from fossil fuels right now. Calling it a "fancy battery" is exactly right, but that's not a hit against hydrogen and fuel cell technology, it's the whole point! Right now, cars run on oil, full stop: we could replace all of Texas with one huge solar farm, making the national power grid 100% green, and we'd still be dependent on oil to fuel our automobiles. Removing that oil dependency by building cars that run on hydrogen (or any other "fancy battery" that can be "charged" from any source and operates cleanly) is a necessary part of reining in our polluting and moving toward renewable energy. Sure, hydrogen comes from fossil fuels right now. Calling it a “fancy battery” is exactly right, but that’s not a hit against hydrogen and fuel cell technology, it’s the whole point!

Right now, cars run on oil, full stop: we could replace all of Texas with one huge solar farm, making the national power grid 100% green, and we’d still be dependent on oil to fuel our automobiles.

Removing that oil dependency by building cars that run on hydrogen (or any other “fancy battery” that can be “charged” from any source and operates cleanly) is a necessary part of reining in our polluting and moving toward renewable energy.

]]> By: Glenn http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/11/29/hydrogen-not-as-green-as-it-seems/comment-page-1/#comment-13541 Glenn Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:56:03 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/11/29/hydrogen-not-as-green-as-it-seems/#comment-13541 The whole hydrogen myth is slowly being exposed. Hydrogen is not a source of energy, but rather an energy storage method that is inconvenient for a normal automobile. It's just a fancy battery that doesn't work very well. The whole hydrogen myth is slowly being exposed. Hydrogen is not a source of energy, but rather an energy storage method that is inconvenient for a normal automobile. It’s just a fancy battery that doesn’t work very well.

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