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	<title>Comments on: Another Model: Berkeley&#8217;s Bicycle Boulevard Network</title>
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	<description>Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Baross</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/09/27/another-model-berkeleys-bicycle-boulevard-network/comment-page-1/#comment-5302</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Baross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2006 03:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article and photos! 

1. A part of the reason for NYC having more bicycling - more places to go that are w/in bicycling distance for most folks. Calif and other post-motor vehicle cities are spread out.

2. About &quot;bike paths&quot;... Your first sentence has the phrase &quot;on street bike paths.&quot; There aren&#039;t any &quot;bike paths&quot; in California that are on street. The term &quot;Bike Path&quot; refers to an off-street facility primarily for bicycling - though pedestrian uses are usually allowed. On-street facilities include Bike Lanes, Bike Routes and Shared Roadways - like the bike boulevards. 

I care about the distinction because in Calif. bicyclists are having to spend big bucks (for us anyway - $45,000 and counting) in legal costs to appeal previous precedent setting court decisions that removed responsibility for the design and maintenance of Bike Paths from cities that installed Bike Path... even when bicyclists are required to use the Bike Path as the only available route. We are mad as hell.

People using a public transportation facility like roads, sidewalks, even Bike Lanes and boulevards have recourse for damages when injured. Not so with Bike Paths... that&#039;s wrong.

See http://www.cabobike.org/prokop.htm for more info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article and photos! </p>
<p>1. A part of the reason for NYC having more bicycling &#8211; more places to go that are w/in bicycling distance for most folks. Calif and other post-motor vehicle cities are spread out.</p>
<p>2. About &#8220;bike paths&#8221;&#8230; Your first sentence has the phrase &#8220;on street bike paths.&#8221; There aren&#8217;t any &#8220;bike paths&#8221; in California that are on street. The term &#8220;Bike Path&#8221; refers to an off-street facility primarily for bicycling &#8211; though pedestrian uses are usually allowed. On-street facilities include Bike Lanes, Bike Routes and Shared Roadways &#8211; like the bike boulevards. </p>
<p>I care about the distinction because in Calif. bicyclists are having to spend big bucks (for us anyway &#8211; $45,000 and counting) in legal costs to appeal previous precedent setting court decisions that removed responsibility for the design and maintenance of Bike Paths from cities that installed Bike Path&#8230; even when bicyclists are required to use the Bike Path as the only available route. We are mad as hell.</p>
<p>People using a public transportation facility like roads, sidewalks, even Bike Lanes and boulevards have recourse for damages when injured. Not so with Bike Paths&#8230; that&#8217;s wrong.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.cabobike.org/prokop.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cabobike.org/prokop.htm</a> for more info.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/09/27/another-model-berkeleys-bicycle-boulevard-network/comment-page-1/#comment-5288</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Oct 2006 16:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J:Lai writes, &quot;Regarding the behavior of drivers approaching crosswalks - California has a law that drivers must stop for pedestrians in marked crosswalks if they have at least one foot in the street. In SF there are actually stings with undercover cops to catch and ticket drivers who donâ€™t comply.&quot;

http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/09/27/another-model-berkeleys-bicycle-boulevard-network/#comment-5110

New York passed a law like this in 2001, whichg also addresses Cedric&#039;s concern above:

http://www.dot.state.ny.us/pubtrans/share.html#1151

However, there is pretty much zero inforcement and almost no education, so drivers all believe they have the right of way.  If you want to test it, I invite you to come to any of the unsigned crosswalks in my neighborhood of Woodside, Queens and see if you can get any drivers to yield to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J:Lai writes, &#8220;Regarding the behavior of drivers approaching crosswalks &#8211; California has a law that drivers must stop for pedestrians in marked crosswalks if they have at least one foot in the street. In SF there are actually stings with undercover cops to catch and ticket drivers who donâ€™t comply.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/09/27/another-model-berkeleys-bicycle-boulevard-network/#comment-5110" rel="nofollow">http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/09/27/another-model-berkeleys-bicycle-boulevard-network/#comment-5110</a></p>
<p>New York passed a law like this in 2001, whichg also addresses Cedric&#8217;s concern above:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dot.state.ny.us/pubtrans/share.html#1151" rel="nofollow">http://www.dot.state.ny.us/pubtrans/share.html#1151</a></p>
<p>However, there is pretty much zero inforcement and almost no education, so drivers all believe they have the right of way.  If you want to test it, I invite you to come to any of the unsigned crosswalks in my neighborhood of Woodside, Queens and see if you can get any drivers to yield to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Cedric de La Beaujardiere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cedric de La Beaujardiere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that makes a multi-lane street&#039;s non-signalized pedestrian crossing a success is the existence of a pedestrian refuge in the middle of the street.  Note the landscaped median strip in the photo above, which provides a safe place for pedestrians to stop.  They don&#039;t have to wait until the street is clear in both directions, intead, they can cross halfway, then safely wait for a break in traffic before crossing the other half.

Note, however, one danger of an unsignalized ped crossing in a multi-lane street is that if one car stops for the pedestrian, an impatient driver behind can wonder, &quot;why is this car stopping and slowing me down?&quot; Then they swerve around the stopped car and can hit the pedestrian.

Raised in California, I feel entitled to walk in the street, but I definitely keep an eye out for oblivious drivers, and I&#039;m not afraid to shout out Kosmo Kramer&#039;s line, &quot;Hey! I&#039;m WALKing here!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that makes a multi-lane street&#8217;s non-signalized pedestrian crossing a success is the existence of a pedestrian refuge in the middle of the street.  Note the landscaped median strip in the photo above, which provides a safe place for pedestrians to stop.  They don&#8217;t have to wait until the street is clear in both directions, intead, they can cross halfway, then safely wait for a break in traffic before crossing the other half.</p>
<p>Note, however, one danger of an unsignalized ped crossing in a multi-lane street is that if one car stops for the pedestrian, an impatient driver behind can wonder, &#8220;why is this car stopping and slowing me down?&#8221; Then they swerve around the stopped car and can hit the pedestrian.</p>
<p>Raised in California, I feel entitled to walk in the street, but I definitely keep an eye out for oblivious drivers, and I&#8217;m not afraid to shout out Kosmo Kramer&#8217;s line, &#8220;Hey! I&#8217;m WALKing here!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: peteathome</title>
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		<dc:creator>peteathome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent a bit of time in Berkeley two winters ago. I got around by bike. I was suprised at how low number of bicyclists were. 

While it&#039;s true that the west edge of town is extremly hilly, most of the city is relatively flat.  The only part really affected byt he hills are the western side of the campus and some very expensive neighborhoods in the hills. 

And, of course, the weather is typcially great for bicycling and it is a major college town. So facilities may not encourage much bicycling, based on this example.

One problem with Berkeley&#039;s facilities is that Berkeley is a pretty small town and these facilities all end at the southern and northern boundaries of town. So you really can&#039;t go very far on the boulevards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent a bit of time in Berkeley two winters ago. I got around by bike. I was suprised at how low number of bicyclists were. </p>
<p>While it&#8217;s true that the west edge of town is extremly hilly, most of the city is relatively flat.  The only part really affected byt he hills are the western side of the campus and some very expensive neighborhoods in the hills. </p>
<p>And, of course, the weather is typcially great for bicycling and it is a major college town. So facilities may not encourage much bicycling, based on this example.</p>
<p>One problem with Berkeley&#8217;s facilities is that Berkeley is a pretty small town and these facilities all end at the southern and northern boundaries of town. So you really can&#8217;t go very far on the boulevards.</p>
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		<title>By: Boogiedown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boogiedown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You&#039;ve got to think that if New York City built bike infrastructure as good as Berkeley&#039;s, cycling might really explode here.&quot;

Hmmmm...that might explain a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You&#8217;ve got to think that if New York City built bike infrastructure as good as Berkeley&#8217;s, cycling might really explode here.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmmmm&#8230;that might explain a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Bus Chick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bus Chick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Managed to get my own URL wrong. Must be all these hills!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Managed to get my own URL wrong. Must be all these hills!</p>
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		<title>By: Bus Chick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bus Chick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in Seattle, also a town of recyclers and organic food eaters, and also a town of drivers. (We aren&#039;t as &quot;green&quot; as we think we are out here.) I choose to live without a car, but I don&#039;t bike much because I am terrified (repeat: terrified) to ride in the street. We don&#039;t have as much of a bike-friendly infrastructure as Berkeley. Plus, there are a lot of hills. :)

P.S. - Love the blog. It was sent to me by a fan of yours who lives in Minneapolis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in Seattle, also a town of recyclers and organic food eaters, and also a town of drivers. (We aren&#8217;t as &#8220;green&#8221; as we think we are out here.) I choose to live without a car, but I don&#8217;t bike much because I am terrified (repeat: terrified) to ride in the street. We don&#8217;t have as much of a bike-friendly infrastructure as Berkeley. Plus, there are a lot of hills. <img src='http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>P.S. &#8211; Love the blog. It was sent to me by a fan of yours who lives in Minneapolis.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 20:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, if anyone is interested, I did a very quick and not very planned out short for bikeTV on BB&#039;s last year.  Warning: not as serious as most of my stuff, but you&#039;ll get the point and enjoy.

http://homepage.mac.com/trorb/BikeTV/iMovieTheater77.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, if anyone is interested, I did a very quick and not very planned out short for bikeTV on BB&#8217;s last year.  Warning: not as serious as most of my stuff, but you&#8217;ll get the point and enjoy.</p>
<p><a href="http://homepage.mac.com/trorb/BikeTV/iMovieTheater77.html" rel="nofollow">http://homepage.mac.com/trorb/BikeTV/iMovieTheater77.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: david_uk</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/09/27/another-model-berkeleys-bicycle-boulevard-network/comment-page-1/#comment-5115</link>
		<dc:creator>david_uk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re yesterday&#039;s bike photo in Brooklyn - only got image placeholder in my browser. Can you amend or pm to me? TIA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re yesterday&#8217;s bike photo in Brooklyn &#8211; only got image placeholder in my browser. Can you amend or pm to me? TIA.</p>
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		<title>By: J:Lai</title>
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		<dc:creator>J:Lai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the behavior of drivers approaching crosswalks - California has a law that drivers must stop for pedestrians in marked crosswalks if they have at least one foot in the street.  In SF there are actually stings with undercover cops to catch and ticket drivers who don&#039;t comply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the behavior of drivers approaching crosswalks &#8211; California has a law that drivers must stop for pedestrians in marked crosswalks if they have at least one foot in the street.  In SF there are actually stings with undercover cops to catch and ticket drivers who don&#8217;t comply.</p>
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		<title>By: ddartley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ddartley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, &quot;Zebra crossings&quot; in the U.K. are very similar to the ones pictured above--and I have the same reaction as you when I approach one:  &quot;No way, I HAVE to yield to the car, naturally!&quot;  Of course the local pedestrians use them without even pausing, and the cars actually stop!

Again, it&#039;s culture...  and culture can be changed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, &#8220;Zebra crossings&#8221; in the U.K. are very similar to the ones pictured above&#8211;and I have the same reaction as you when I approach one:  &#8220;No way, I HAVE to yield to the car, naturally!&#8221;  Of course the local pedestrians use them without even pausing, and the cars actually stop!</p>
<p>Again, it&#8217;s culture&#8230;  and culture can be changed!</p>
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		<title>By: mfs</title>
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		<dc:creator>mfs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was there in February and borrowed a friend&#039;s bike to look around.  It was a really great bike ride, to say the least!  Having an integrated bike navigation &amp; safety sign system was great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was there in February and borrowed a friend&#8217;s bike to look around.  It was a really great bike ride, to say the least!  Having an integrated bike navigation &amp; safety sign system was great.</p>
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