Comments on: Where to Park a Vespa in NYC? http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/ Covering the New York City Streets Renaissance Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:07:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Brouhaha http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-25650 Brouhaha Sun, 07 Jan 2007 16:19:32 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/#comment-25650 Amazing how statistics can fool stupid people. And even more amazing how arrogant stupid people can be. It's a lot more complicated than that. http://www.nyscooterclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2184 Get your facts straight before insulting people. Amazing how statistics can fool stupid people. And even more amazing how arrogant stupid people can be.

It’s a lot more complicated than that.
http://www.nyscooterclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2184

Get your facts straight before insulting people.

]]> By: yourscootersucks http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-1460 yourscootersucks Wed, 16 Aug 2006 00:08:25 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/#comment-1460 "Mopeds, scooters or even power assist bicycles can save a tremendous amount of pollution compared to even the most efficient automobiles. "... Are you insane or just stupid ?! Do you have ANY idea of how much paticulte matter pollution 2-strokes (yes even the "new" versions) put out per a mile travled? The differential between a 50cc 2 -stroke scooter and an emmisions controled auto/truck/SUV (even a new diesel bus) is MUCH more than even the the HC or CO2. “Mopeds, scooters or even power assist bicycles can save a tremendous amount of pollution compared to even the most efficient automobiles. “…

Are you insane or just stupid ?! Do you have ANY idea of how much paticulte matter pollution 2-strokes (yes even the “new” versions) put out per a mile travled? The differential between a 50cc 2 -stroke scooter and an emmisions controled auto/truck/SUV (even a new diesel bus) is MUCH more than even the the HC or CO2.

]]> By: AD http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-1070 AD Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:12:29 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/#comment-1070 My friend has gotten many parking tickets for his Vespa-like scooter (It's a KimCo), when he's parked between cars. Sometimes the enforcement agent will assign lack-of-meter-payment to the scooter even though a car is in the whole space. My friend has gotten many parking tickets for his Vespa-like scooter (It’s a KimCo), when he’s parked between cars. Sometimes the enforcement agent will assign lack-of-meter-payment to the scooter even though a car is in the whole space.

]]> By: Glenn http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-1058 Glenn Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:43:09 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/#comment-1058 This was a piece more about land use and the spatial difference between cars and two wheelers and how we make no provision for "alternative vehicles" on the streets. But I do appreciate the environmental concerns you raise and as you point out, not all mopeds are the same when it comes to air pollution. Vespa maintains that their current scooters beat even hybrids in terms of reduction of greenhouse gases. But here's what could be done to clean up the older models or less environmentally friendly models out there: Air Pollution - that can be regulated with simple emissions testing requirements at the yearly inspection. Eventually this would phase out the older more polluting models and encourage more EVs. Noise pollution - again, this can be regulated too, and enforcement of "after market" changes to mufflers can be made at yearly inspections. Thanks Glenn This was a piece more about land use and the spatial difference between cars and two wheelers and how we make no provision for “alternative vehicles” on the streets.

But I do appreciate the environmental concerns you raise and as you point out, not all mopeds are the same when it comes to air pollution. Vespa maintains that their current scooters beat even hybrids in terms of reduction of greenhouse gases.

But here’s what could be done to clean up the older models or less environmentally friendly models out there:

Air Pollution – that can be regulated with simple emissions testing requirements at the yearly inspection. Eventually this would phase out the older more polluting models and encourage more EVs.

Noise pollution – again, this can be regulated too, and enforcement of “after market” changes to mufflers can be made at yearly inspections.

Thanks
Glenn

]]> By: John http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-1055 John Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:02:10 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/#comment-1055 P.S. Just as I suspected! A March 2005 study by the Environmental Protection Agency shows most scooters on the road pollute more than SUVs. Check it out: http://www.wweek.com/story.php?story=7867 P.S. Just as I suspected! A March 2005 study by the Environmental Protection Agency shows most scooters on the road pollute more than SUVs. Check it out:
http://www.wweek.com/story.php?story=7867

]]> By: John http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-1053 John Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:52:22 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/#comment-1053 Glenn, I agree that EV scooters are better for the environment than cars. However, most mopeds and many scooters are powered by 2-stroke engines, which produce a tremendous amount of pollution. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if two-stroke mopeds and scooters produce more air pollution than motor vehicles powered by 4-stroke engines. Anecdotally, it seems to me that most mopeds, scooters and motorcycles produce far more noise pollution than automobiles. Based on the above, an increase in the number of mopeds, scooters and motorcycles is arguably a big step in the wrong direction. Food for thought. John Glenn,

I agree that EV scooters are better for the environment than cars. However, most mopeds and many scooters are powered by 2-stroke engines, which produce a tremendous amount of pollution. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if two-stroke mopeds and scooters produce more air pollution than motor vehicles powered by 4-stroke engines. Anecdotally, it seems to me that most mopeds, scooters and motorcycles produce far more noise pollution than automobiles. Based on the above, an increase in the number of mopeds, scooters and motorcycles is arguably a big step in the wrong direction. Food for thought.

John

]]> By: Glenn http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-1049 Glenn Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:15:15 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/#comment-1049 John While biking is the best way to reduce oil consumption and prevent greenhouse gas emissions, it's not the only way. Every step in the right direction is good. Mopeds, scooters or even power assist bicycles can save a tremendous amount of pollution compared to even the most efficient automobiles. They are much easier to power with electricity, which could be produced from renewable sources. In areas with lots of hills, cycling without some type of power assist will frankly never be practical for the average person. And in terms of land use, they take up much less space than automobiles. Lane's suggestion of a one spot per block for two wheel vehicles makes a lot of sense, particularly in the Central Business district. Glenn John

While biking is the best way to reduce oil consumption and prevent greenhouse gas emissions, it’s not the only way. Every step in the right direction is good.

Mopeds, scooters or even power assist bicycles can save a tremendous amount of pollution compared to even the most efficient automobiles. They are much easier to power with electricity, which could be produced from renewable sources. In areas with lots of hills, cycling without some type of power assist will frankly never be practical for the average person.

And in terms of land use, they take up much less space than automobiles.

Lane’s suggestion of a one spot per block for two wheel vehicles makes a lot of sense, particularly in the Central Business district.

Glenn

]]> By: John http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-1048 John Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:02:14 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/#comment-1048 Scooters and motorcycles are anathema to anyone who is concerned about global warming, since scooters and motorcycles are motor vehicles that spew greenhouse gases. Anyone concerned about global warming should ditch his or her scooter and ride a bicycle instead. Scooters and motorcycles are anathema to anyone who is concerned about global warming, since scooters and motorcycles are motor vehicles that spew greenhouse gases. Anyone concerned about global warming should ditch his or her scooter and ride a bicycle instead.

]]> By: Brouhaha http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-1044 Brouhaha Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:33:14 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/#comment-1044 I agree... Two wheelers unite! Read the platform: http://www.vespanomics.com/Platform.cfm Sign the Vespatition! :-) http://www.vespausa.com/Vespatition/ I agree… Two wheelers unite!

Read the platform:
http://www.vespanomics.com/Platform.cfm

Sign the Vespatition! :-)
http://www.vespausa.com/Vespatition/

]]> By: Aaron http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-1042 Aaron Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:20:59 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/#comment-1042 Create a parking spot or two for the Segways and, boy, you've got an unstoppable coalition. Unfortunately, the bike and ped advocates have this irrational fear of the Segway stealing all of the city's sidewalk space... Create a parking spot or two for the Segways and, boy, you’ve got an unstoppable coalition. Unfortunately, the bike and ped advocates have this irrational fear of the Segway stealing all of the city’s sidewalk space…

]]> By: Lane Wyden http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/comment-page-1/#comment-1041 Lane Wyden Wed, 09 Aug 2006 16:01:20 +0000 http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/08/09/where-to-park-a-vespa-in-nyc/#comment-1041 clearly vesparadoes and cyclists have common cause in convincing teh city to turn one car parking space per block into "bike" parking (both the motorized and non motorized variety) much more efficient use of the space, promote more energy and spatially efficient transportation, free up valuable sidewalk space. this woudl also stop the terrible "bike on bike" violence that is plaguing certain nabes in teh city. i mean, pedal bikes are clearly superior, but vespas take up about as much room as a hummer's rear view mirror. vespies and cyclists unite! clearly vesparadoes and cyclists have common cause in convincing teh city to turn one car parking space per block into “bike” parking (both the motorized and non motorized variety)

much more efficient use of the space, promote more energy and spatially efficient transportation, free up valuable sidewalk space. this woudl also stop the terrible “bike on bike” violence that is plaguing certain nabes in teh city. i mean, pedal bikes are clearly superior, but vespas take up about as much room as a hummer’s rear view mirror. vespies and cyclists unite!

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