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	<title>Comments on: Parking it in the Slope</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/05/12/parking-it-in-the-slope/comment-page-2/#comment-457</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 May 2006 19:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what&#039;s interesting is that in Park Slope, the majority of parking lots (or any large spaces) were all gotten rid of to put in more apartment buildings, since it is such a &quot;hot&quot; neighborhood. The people who owned the lots made more selling the land than they could have running a parking lot. Realtors would put luxury condos in parking spaces if they could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what's interesting is that in Park Slope, the majority of parking lots (or any large spaces) were all gotten rid of to put in more apartment buildings, since it is such a "hot" neighborhood. The people who owned the lots made more selling the land than they could have running a parking lot. Realtors would put luxury condos in parking spaces if they could.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 23:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is pretty lame compared to this
http://www.rebargroup.org/projects/parking/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is pretty lame compared to this<br />
<a href="http://www.rebargroup.org/projects/parking/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rebargroup.org/projects/parking/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2006/05/12/parking-it-in-the-slope/comment-page-1/#comment-455</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 22:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anon, appreciating the civilized discourse. here&#039;s my take: 

these people took over exactly two parking spaces. and they paid quarters for the parking spaces just like anyone in a car would have (though, yeah, it&#039;s illegal to use the space for more than one hour at a time technically). there are many thousands of parking spaces available in park slope. these people were using just two of them. is that really making your life harder? 

meanwhile... not necessarily your individual car but ALL of the cars and traffic on the street are definitely making my life noticably harder every single day. the honking, car alarms, dangerous walking and biking, the immobilized nearly useless buses, nasty exhaust being spewed into my kid&#039;s face, the increasingly extreme and erratic weather caused by the burning of fossil fuels, resource wars over oil... these are the very real impacts of your car, my car and everyone else&#039;s car. there is no question that all of these cars are making my life a whole lot harder. 

if taking over two little parking spaces can generate a discussion about that and maybe begin to help new yorkers see that our current car-dominated transpo and land-use system is really a little bit crazy then i&#039;m happy to hand the two parking spaces to these guys for the day. 

i really think a solid case can be made that an innocent car trip to the new fairway grocery store in red hook causes a whole lot more problems than this parking squat, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anon, appreciating the civilized discourse. here's my take: </p>
<p>these people took over exactly two parking spaces. and they paid quarters for the parking spaces just like anyone in a car would have (though, yeah, it's illegal to use the space for more than one hour at a time technically). there are many thousands of parking spaces available in park slope. these people were using just two of them. is that really making your life harder? </p>
<p>meanwhile... not necessarily your individual car but ALL of the cars and traffic on the street are definitely making my life noticably harder every single day. the honking, car alarms, dangerous walking and biking, the immobilized nearly useless buses, nasty exhaust being spewed into my kid's face, the increasingly extreme and erratic weather caused by the burning of fossil fuels, resource wars over oil... these are the very real impacts of your car, my car and everyone else's car. there is no question that all of these cars are making my life a whole lot harder. </p>
<p>if taking over two little parking spaces can generate a discussion about that and maybe begin to help new yorkers see that our current car-dominated transpo and land-use system is really a little bit crazy then i'm happy to hand the two parking spaces to these guys for the day. </p>
<p>i really think a solid case can be made that an innocent car trip to the new fairway grocery store in red hook causes a whole lot more problems than this parking squat, no?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 21:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the responses. I agree in principle with what is being said and done -- what I don&#039;t agree with is the micro-phenomenon of someone making my life more difficult in order to make the statement.  I stand by the point that sitting in a hard-to-find parking space is something you do when you&#039;re not really thinking about who might be affected by your protest.  Good use of public space, rational decision-making, even economic incentives and restrictions, no problem.  Someone sitting in a parking space -- can&#039;t buy into that.  It&#039;s what you do when you think you know, or think you don&#039;t know, who is driving the car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the responses. I agree in principle with what is being said and done -- what I don't agree with is the micro-phenomenon of someone making my life more difficult in order to make the statement.  I stand by the point that sitting in a hard-to-find parking space is something you do when you're not really thinking about who might be affected by your protest.  Good use of public space, rational decision-making, even economic incentives and restrictions, no problem.  Someone sitting in a parking space -- can't buy into that.  It's what you do when you think you know, or think you don't know, who is driving the car.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Piontek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Piontek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 21:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think anyone is arguing that nobody needs cars.  Certainly there will always be &lt;I&gt;some&lt;/I&gt; need for personal, long-distant transportation.  If you live in Brooklyn but work some place no train or bus goes, you probably need a car.

I would suggest putting some effort into getting a rail line or bus service to go to wherever it is you work, but you can&#039;t build train and bus lines going everywhere; at some point somebody&#039;s going to need a car.

But the idea is that, due to inefficient, inadequate planning over the years, coupled with outright subsidies/deference to automobiles, more people than should be necessary end up driving cars out of need.

It&#039;s not saying that no one should need a car, it&#039;s saying that there should be better transportation infrastructure so that people who otherwise wouldn&#039;t need cars could make that choice.  This would make the city better for everyone.  Fewer car drivers means more public space for bikers, pedestrians, shoppers, etc., and conversely, less traffic and more parking space for those who genuinely need cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don't think anyone is arguing that nobody needs cars.  Certainly there will always be <i>some</i> need for personal, long-distant transportation.  If you live in Brooklyn but work some place no train or bus goes, you probably need a car.</p>
<p>I would suggest putting some effort into getting a rail line or bus service to go to wherever it is you work, but you can't build train and bus lines going everywhere; at some point somebody's going to need a car.</p>
<p>But the idea is that, due to inefficient, inadequate planning over the years, coupled with outright subsidies/deference to automobiles, more people than should be necessary end up driving cars out of need.</p>
<p>It's not saying that no one should need a car, it's saying that there should be better transportation infrastructure so that people who otherwise wouldn't need cars could make that choice.  This would make the city better for everyone.  Fewer car drivers means more public space for bikers, pedestrians, shoppers, etc., and conversely, less traffic and more parking space for those who genuinely need cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 20:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to feel guilty and defensive about owning a car. I don&#039;t think the message of this parking squat action is: You are a jerk if you own a car. I think the micro message is: We can and should make better use of our public space (today, in front of this muffin shop). The broader message is: We should make it easier for people in NYC, like yourself, to not have to own a car.  

But most important, if on-street parking were priced more rationally (and, say, if the revenues generated went directly towards improving transit, bike and ped facilities), you probably wouldn&#039;t have to spend so much time circling the block. You could have more time with you family. You wouldn&#039;t have to be so angry about all this. Maybe $250/year for parking would be worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to feel guilty and defensive about owning a car. I don't think the message of this parking squat action is: You are a jerk if you own a car. I think the micro message is: We can and should make better use of our public space (today, in front of this muffin shop). The broader message is: We should make it easier for people in NYC, like yourself, to not have to own a car.  </p>
<p>But most important, if on-street parking were priced more rationally (and, say, if the revenues generated went directly towards improving transit, bike and ped facilities), you probably wouldn't have to spend so much time circling the block. You could have more time with you family. You wouldn't have to be so angry about all this. Maybe $250/year for parking would be worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 19:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, I appreciate the thought behind this, but who exactly is being targeted?  Me? As a car owner who lives in Park slope, 1) I wish I didn&#039;t need a car, but I bought a small fuel-efficient vehicle to shave 2 hours off my daily commute to my job outside the city; 2) I love living in the city and wouldn&#039;t trade it for anything-- in fact, my biggest frustration is trying to find a parking space, because I can&#039;t afford to buy one.  Frankly, I find the sit-in a bit sanctimonious -- agitating for better mass transit and smaller cars would mean a lot more, and be a lot less jerkish. Wouldn&#039;t it be lovely if we could all take the subway?   Wouldn&#039;t it be lovely if parking was so expensive that only rich assholes with yellow-ribboned Hummers could afford them? So I&#039;ll just keep driving around looking for a space instead of spending time with my family or shopping at local businesses, and you folks have a grand old time feeling superior because...you have the (moral) luxury of not needing a car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, I appreciate the thought behind this, but who exactly is being targeted?  Me? As a car owner who lives in Park slope, 1) I wish I didn't need a car, but I bought a small fuel-efficient vehicle to shave 2 hours off my daily commute to my job outside the city; 2) I love living in the city and wouldn't trade it for anything-- in fact, my biggest frustration is trying to find a parking space, because I can't afford to buy one.  Frankly, I find the sit-in a bit sanctimonious -- agitating for better mass transit and smaller cars would mean a lot more, and be a lot less jerkish. Wouldn't it be lovely if we could all take the subway?   Wouldn't it be lovely if parking was so expensive that only rich assholes with yellow-ribboned Hummers could afford them? So I'll just keep driving around looking for a space instead of spending time with my family or shopping at local businesses, and you folks have a grand old time feeling superior because...you have the (moral) luxury of not needing a car.</p>
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		<title>By: 20 year denizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>20 year denizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 14:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The energetically negative comments made me chuckle, especially &quot;if you were looking for space why di you move to Park Slope?&quot;

Such folks are obviously not PS material, and I hope they stay away from our lovely (but getting more crowded) hamlet.   You need only to live here and spend your weekends here to appreciate the humor in the subject.  If you don&#039;t, well, move along.   Posting diatribes complaining about something you don&#039;t understand only makes you look foolish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The energetically negative comments made me chuckle, especially "if you were looking for space why di you move to Park Slope?"</p>
<p>Such folks are obviously not PS material, and I hope they stay away from our lovely (but getting more crowded) hamlet.   You need only to live here and spend your weekends here to appreciate the humor in the subject.  If you don't, well, move along.   Posting diatribes complaining about something you don't understand only makes you look foolish.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 23:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took a look upthread and found that &quot;a lawyer&quot; had already addressed the issue covered in my previous comment.

So, never mind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took a look upthread and found that "a lawyer" had already addressed the issue covered in my previous comment.</p>
<p>So, never mind...</p>
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		<title>By: Mitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 23:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I put a link to this posting on a &quot;bikies&quot; mailing list to which I subscribe, and Chuck,  another member of this list, commented:

&lt;I&gt;Note that the blog says&quot;New York City regulations say that metered, curbside parking spaces are only to be used for the storage of vehicles. This kid made sure the rules were being followed.&quot; (in reference to the kid&#039;s TOY auto).

But bicycles are defined as legal vehicles in all 50 states (last I 
checked), so this would be perfectly legal (anywhere), and no matter who interpreted the ordinance...as long as they had at least one bicycle in the 
space.&lt;/I&gt;

Apparently, the parking squatters didn&#039;t read the law this way, but could it be that he was right?  If he is, any bicyclist could park in the street in Park Slope for $.50/hour, which opens all sorts of possibilities.  

Not that I&#039;m suggesting anything...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I put a link to this posting on a "bikies" mailing list to which I subscribe, and Chuck,  another member of this list, commented:</p>
<p><i>Note that the blog says"New York City regulations say that metered, curbside parking spaces are only to be used for the storage of vehicles. This kid made sure the rules were being followed." (in reference to the kid's TOY auto).</i></p>
<p>But bicycles are defined as legal vehicles in all 50 states (last I<br />
checked), so this would be perfectly legal (anywhere), and no matter who interpreted the ordinance...as long as they had at least one bicycle in the<br />
space.</p>
<p>Apparently, the parking squatters didn't read the law this way, but could it be that he was right?  If he is, any bicyclist could park in the street in Park Slope for $.50/hour, which opens all sorts of possibilities.  </p>
<p>Not that I'm suggesting anything...</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 17:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, efficient use and market-rate pricing of on-street parking space -- that sounds real &quot;commie.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, efficient use and market-rate pricing of on-street parking space -- that sounds real "commie."</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 17:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you guys are all commies that come from freaking Seattle with you hippie mentality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you guys are all commies that come from freaking Seattle with you hippie mentality.</p>
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		<title>By: nyuguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>nyuguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 15:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MIKE:  
  My opinion, being an owner of two cars and living in the city is that parking on the street is perfectly priced.  If those people want to come out every hour to put quarters in their meter then the cost has to be significantly less than that of parking in a lot.  It is such a pain in the a$$ to do that.   As far as the free parking goes, that is why people move to brooklyn!!  BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER TO LIVE THERE.  I mean please, don&#039;t get into the argument that it is better than the city.  And you certainly need a car to get there.  Ever try to get a cab to go to BROOKLYN at 3am.  Good luck.  
   

AARON:  The space these dorks took over was a metered space!  Not free parking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MIKE:<br />
  My opinion, being an owner of two cars and living in the city is that parking on the street is perfectly priced.  If those people want to come out every hour to put quarters in their meter then the cost has to be significantly less than that of parking in a lot.  It is such a pain in the a$$ to do that.   As far as the free parking goes, that is why people move to brooklyn!!  BECAUSE IT IS CHEAPER TO LIVE THERE.  I mean please, don't get into the argument that it is better than the city.  And you certainly need a car to get there.  Ever try to get a cab to go to BROOKLYN at 3am.  Good luck.  </p>
<p>AARON:  The space these dorks took over was a metered space!  Not free parking.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 13:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;I&gt;&quot;Whether you own a car or not is YOUR BUSINESS, not mine. And where you park it is your problem, not mine.&quot;&lt;/I&gt;

Bingo.  I have a right to own a horse, but I don&#039;t expect the city to set aside free land for me to stable it.  

As to the &quot;traffic calming&quot;--that&#039;s a good point, and I&#039;d back you if parked cars were the only way to achieve this.  They&#039;re not--speed bumps, lights, extended curbs, there&#039;s a million other things that could be used which would net a much bigger benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>"Whether you own a car or not is YOUR BUSINESS, not mine. And where you park it is your problem, not mine."</i></p>
<p>Bingo.  I have a right to own a horse, but I don't expect the city to set aside free land for me to stable it.  </p>
<p>As to the "traffic calming"--that's a good point, and I'd back you if parked cars were the only way to achieve this.  They're not--speed bumps, lights, extended curbs, there's a million other things that could be used which would net a much bigger benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 00:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love it when car owners assert their right to car ownership but then ask, &quot;Where am I supposed to park my car?&quot; as if this was somebody else&#039;s problem.

Whether you own a car or not is YOUR BUSINESS, not mine.  And where you park it is your problem, not mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love it when car owners assert their right to car ownership but then ask, "Where am I supposed to park my car?" as if this was somebody else's problem.</p>
<p>Whether you own a car or not is YOUR BUSINESS, not mine.  And where you park it is your problem, not mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 00:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5:55: i haven&#039;t heard anyone  talking about &quot;simply banning parking on public streets?&quot; these guys took over a grand total of two parking spaces. if anything, they&#039;re talking about properly pricing on-street parking. and, sure, you have a right to own a car but the public doesn&#039;t necessarily owe you the right to store it on-street for free. since the car costs so much to society, it seems fair that parking should be priced accordingly and the revenues should be used to make it easier for people not to have to have cars in the city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5:55: i haven't heard anyone  talking about "simply banning parking on public streets?" these guys took over a grand total of two parking spaces. if anything, they're talking about properly pricing on-street parking. and, sure, you have a right to own a car but the public doesn't necessarily owe you the right to store it on-street for free. since the car costs so much to society, it seems fair that parking should be priced accordingly and the revenues should be used to make it easier for people not to have to have cars in the city.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 22:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly the only solution is to condemn one square block of the central Slope via eminent domain and build a large, reasonably-priced parking facility on it for all the remaining residents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly the only solution is to condemn one square block of the central Slope via eminent domain and build a large, reasonably-priced parking facility on it for all the remaining residents.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 21:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re space vs. density: it&#039;s not a contradiction at all. I live in Park Slope as opposed to Manhattan because I have more space here -- both in my own home, and in the neighborhood in general (due to low-rise townhouses instead of high-rise apartment buildings, the park, my own little garden, etc.). But I live in Park Slope instead of the suburbs, or the Great Plains (as someone else quipped) because I like the hustle and bustle, the amenities, the diversity and the culture that urban density engenders.  So, in fact, space + density is EXACTLY what a neighborhood like Park Slope is all about.

As for cities providing free parking, I agree it may not make sense on some kind of macroeconomic level, but honestly, where are people supposed to park?  Mind you, I don&#039;t own a car, so I&#039;m not necessarily advocating personal car ownership in this type of urban environment. But people have the right to own a car (and I have owned a car in the city in past years, when I had young children, and when I was spending more time leaving the city by car on the weekends), and until we are in a position to provide reasonably-priced options (and $500 to $1,200 a month for a garage space -- if you can even find one -- is not a viable option), simply banning parking on public streets just isn&#039;t reasonable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re space vs. density: it's not a contradiction at all. I live in Park Slope as opposed to Manhattan because I have more space here -- both in my own home, and in the neighborhood in general (due to low-rise townhouses instead of high-rise apartment buildings, the park, my own little garden, etc.). But I live in Park Slope instead of the suburbs, or the Great Plains (as someone else quipped) because I like the hustle and bustle, the amenities, the diversity and the culture that urban density engenders.  So, in fact, space + density is EXACTLY what a neighborhood like Park Slope is all about.</p>
<p>As for cities providing free parking, I agree it may not make sense on some kind of macroeconomic level, but honestly, where are people supposed to park?  Mind you, I don't own a car, so I'm not necessarily advocating personal car ownership in this type of urban environment. But people have the right to own a car (and I have owned a car in the city in past years, when I had young children, and when I was spending more time leaving the city by car on the weekends), and until we are in a position to provide reasonably-priced options (and $500 to $1,200 a month for a garage space -- if you can even find one -- is not a viable option), simply banning parking on public streets just isn't reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 19:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yuck who would let a baby play on the ground next to the curb - basically in the gutter. Ewwww.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yuck who would let a baby play on the ground next to the curb - basically in the gutter. Ewwww.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 May 2006 19:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To anonymous chuptza - your argument is nonsense. Cars do not make for lively streets, they make for car traffic which is quite different. Look at any highway and see if you would call them lively, they are full of cars after all. 

Pedestrian dedicated streetscapes - do you mean plazas, or street corners? - are boring when people don&#039;t use them, and people don&#039;t use them when they are disconnected from other places, have no uses in them, no places to sit, are at the wrong spot, and so on. It is very easy to create a place that people won&#039;t use. 

An extended sidewalk with some seating on a street is Park Slope will not be a &quot;boring urban space&quot; any more than a parking spot is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To anonymous chuptza - your argument is nonsense. Cars do not make for lively streets, they make for car traffic which is quite different. Look at any highway and see if you would call them lively, they are full of cars after all. </p>
<p>Pedestrian dedicated streetscapes - do you mean plazas, or street corners? - are boring when people don't use them, and people don't use them when they are disconnected from other places, have no uses in them, no places to sit, are at the wrong spot, and so on. It is very easy to create a place that people won't use. </p>
<p>An extended sidewalk with some seating on a street is Park Slope will not be a "boring urban space" any more than a parking spot is.</p>
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