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	<title>Comments on: Making NYC&#8217;s Streets Safe for Hydrants &#038; Pay Phones</title>
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		<title>By: Ted Nusbaum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Nusbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 11:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your hard work!  Please, let me know how I can help.  I am a father of an 18 month old and we're new to the neighborhood at 34 Plaza Street (cross street is Vanderbilt).  My wife and I are horrified to discover the traffic situation at Eastern Parkway (we're sending Ben to Union Temple in the Fall - yikes!) and also, the situation on Vanderbilt itself.  Cars come ROARING down VB off of Grand Army Plaza at speeds of excess of 50, sometimes 60 mph... I'm terrified for my family.  Why don't they adjust the light timing or install a speed bump?  There isn't even a crosswalk painted at teh light for pedestrians to cross!  I am ashamed of the traffic situation around here... Ironically, the safest time of day is 6pm when cars are stuck in rush hour traffic and must crawl along Vanderbilt up to the Plaza.  If they can do it at night, why not all day long?

Needless to say, please don't hesitate to contact me if I can be of service in this good cause.

Best,

Ted 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your hard work!  Please, let me know how I can help.  I am a father of an 18 month old and we're new to the neighborhood at 34 Plaza Street (cross street is Vanderbilt).  My wife and I are horrified to discover the traffic situation at Eastern Parkway (we're sending Ben to Union Temple in the Fall - yikes!) and also, the situation on Vanderbilt itself.  Cars come ROARING down VB off of Grand Army Plaza at speeds of excess of 50, sometimes 60 mph... I'm terrified for my family.  Why don't they adjust the light timing or install a speed bump?  There isn't even a crosswalk painted at teh light for pedestrians to cross!  I am ashamed of the traffic situation around here... Ironically, the safest time of day is 6pm when cars are stuck in rush hour traffic and must crawl along Vanderbilt up to the Plaza.  If they can do it at night, why not all day long?</p>
<p>Needless to say, please don't hesitate to contact me if I can be of service in this good cause.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Ted </p>
<p><a href="mailto:tedninetwo@yahoo.com">tedninetwo@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul Butterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Butterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2005 00:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post!
As a transportation planner/analyst for a local municipality (a section within a metro city) I appreciated the research and presentation of your  argument.  I also liked the aspect that we are dealing more with perception and behaviour than just incidents and facts.
I am currently researching bollards as alternatives in narrow street reidential areas to indicate to drivers areas of poor sight distance, vertical crests, etc where pedestrians might be mixed with parked vehicles etc.  They are completely new around here for that purpose, but they have been used in more urban environs for the purposes you suggest.

Anyway, good job and I hope you carry on with the charette and are able to find workable solutions.  Here at the District of Saanich in Victoria, BC, Canada we are thoroughly committed to emphasizing alternative means of transportation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post!<br />
As a transportation planner/analyst for a local municipality (a section within a metro city) I appreciated the research and presentation of your  argument.  I also liked the aspect that we are dealing more with perception and behaviour than just incidents and facts.<br />
I am currently researching bollards as alternatives in narrow street reidential areas to indicate to drivers areas of poor sight distance, vertical crests, etc where pedestrians might be mixed with parked vehicles etc.  They are completely new around here for that purpose, but they have been used in more urban environs for the purposes you suggest.</p>
<p>Anyway, good job and I hope you carry on with the charette and are able to find workable solutions.  Here at the District of Saanich in Victoria, BC, Canada we are thoroughly committed to emphasizing alternative means of transportation.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.streetsblog.org/2005/10/14/making-nycs-streets-safe-for-hydrants-pay-phones/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pierce,

Though this piece focuses on bollards but they are certainly not the only good pedestrian safety measure out there. You don't need an "army" of them to make pedestrians safer. 

I've often heard that same cyncial retort that you gave -- Move to the suburbs if you don't like the way NYC is. The assumption buried in this response is that the motor vehicleâ€™s destructive dominance of public space and motorists' sociopathic behavior is the natural order of things. 

A century ago, New Yorkers assumed cholera epidemics, tenement fires, and child labor were inevitable and unavoidable products of big city life. It took years of work by highly organized, politically powerful, morally-driven progressive reformers to cure the city of those ills. Likewise, it will take years of work to repair the damage caused by our near-religious devotion to automobility.

But my question to you is this: If someone wants to try to live a somewhat car-free life, where in America do you suggest they move? Los Angeles? Long Island? Detroit? Amish Country? NYC is the only major municipality in the US where a majority of citizens do not own a car and one can reasonably hope to live a full and complete life without ever owning a car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pierce,</p>
<p>Though this piece focuses on bollards but they are certainly not the only good pedestrian safety measure out there. You don't need an "army" of them to make pedestrians safer. </p>
<p>I've often heard that same cyncial retort that you gave -- Move to the suburbs if you don't like the way NYC is. The assumption buried in this response is that the motor vehicleâ€™s destructive dominance of public space and motorists' sociopathic behavior is the natural order of things. </p>
<p>A century ago, New Yorkers assumed cholera epidemics, tenement fires, and child labor were inevitable and unavoidable products of big city life. It took years of work by highly organized, politically powerful, morally-driven progressive reformers to cure the city of those ills. Likewise, it will take years of work to repair the damage caused by our near-religious devotion to automobility.</p>
<p>But my question to you is this: If someone wants to try to live a somewhat car-free life, where in America do you suggest they move? Los Angeles? Long Island? Detroit? Amish Country? NYC is the only major municipality in the US where a majority of citizens do not own a car and one can reasonably hope to live a full and complete life without ever owning a car.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the transportation tip, there is a post over at &lt;a HREF="http://www.gothamgazette.com/blogs/wonkster/2005/10/28/slowest-buses-in-nyc/" rel="nofollow"&gt;the wonkster&lt;/A&gt; summing up the conversation online surrounding the "Pokey Awards".  It does mention bollards...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the transportation tip, there is a post over at <a HREF="http://www.gothamgazette.com/blogs/wonkster/2005/10/28/slowest-buses-in-nyc/" rel="nofollow">the wonkster</a> summing up the conversation online surrounding the "Pokey Awards".  It does mention bollards...</p>
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		<title>By: pierce</title>
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		<dc:creator>pierce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2005 18:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i for one am a little reticent to surround myself by an everpresent army of bollards.  Can't we use street trees, fire hydrants, light poles, payphones, etc. to do the same purpose?

I'm quite jaded to bollards, jersey barriers, temporary fencing, etc.  We can't rid the world of terror, nor can we  render it absolutely idiot-proof.  I suspect you live in the city for what it is: a city.  There are plenty of suburbs that would be less "scary" for you to walk around in.  That traffic is going nowhere and if you channel it, it may just move quicker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i for one am a little reticent to surround myself by an everpresent army of bollards.  Can't we use street trees, fire hydrants, light poles, payphones, etc. to do the same purpose?</p>
<p>I'm quite jaded to bollards, jersey barriers, temporary fencing, etc.  We can't rid the world of terror, nor can we  render it absolutely idiot-proof.  I suspect you live in the city for what it is: a city.  There are plenty of suburbs that would be less "scary" for you to walk around in.  That traffic is going nowhere and if you channel it, it may just move quicker.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i work in newark, nj.

i'd be interested in getting together and talking about this issue more with you so I'm sending you an email.

CZH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i work in newark, nj.</p>
<p>i'd be interested in getting together and talking about this issue more with you so I'm sending you an email.</p>
<p>CZH</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a number of good organizations and people that could be brought in to put something like this together. Park Slope Civic Council. Community Board 6 (maybe another board too), the City Councilmembers, Tish James and Bill DeBlasio, the library and museum, the Prospect Hts Parents Assoc, TransAlt, Prospect Park Alliance is a biggie. I think people would be into it. 

Where do you do yr transpo planning work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a number of good organizations and people that could be brought in to put something like this together. Park Slope Civic Council. Community Board 6 (maybe another board too), the City Councilmembers, Tish James and Bill DeBlasio, the library and museum, the Prospect Hts Parents Assoc, TransAlt, Prospect Park Alliance is a biggie. I think people would be into it. </p>
<p>Where do you do yr transpo planning work?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 02:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes - I agree that a public charrette on Grand Army Plaza could be fruitful. My idea of converting to a one-way road may not be the best solution - just an idea - my main concern is 1) improving bike and ped access to the Park and the Library, and 2) connecting the central arch/fountain area to the park entrance so it is actually utilized. Based on doing a little thinking about this, it seems to me that the only way of accomplishing this is through some major changes.

I would guess that there are enough residents of park slope/prospect heights with an interest in this issue to have a successful charrette. Ideally, it would bring together people from different backgrounds, design and otherwise, who could together come up with some interesting ideas.


I'm a transportation planner myself (though not an engineer or designer) but do not work for or in the City, so I don't have any vested interests other than improving my neighborhood. I haven't been much involved in neighborhood politics, so I'm not sure what the best forum for such a charrette would be (Community Board?) but would love to hear others' thoughts on this.

CZH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes - I agree that a public charrette on Grand Army Plaza could be fruitful. My idea of converting to a one-way road may not be the best solution - just an idea - my main concern is 1) improving bike and ped access to the Park and the Library, and 2) connecting the central arch/fountain area to the park entrance so it is actually utilized. Based on doing a little thinking about this, it seems to me that the only way of accomplishing this is through some major changes.</p>
<p>I would guess that there are enough residents of park slope/prospect heights with an interest in this issue to have a successful charrette. Ideally, it would bring together people from different backgrounds, design and otherwise, who could together come up with some interesting ideas.</p>
<p>I'm a transportation planner myself (though not an engineer or designer) but do not work for or in the City, so I don't have any vested interests other than improving my neighborhood. I haven't been much involved in neighborhood politics, so I'm not sure what the best forum for such a charrette would be (Community Board?) but would love to hear others' thoughts on this.</p>
<p>CZH</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 02:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments.

I love your idea of altogether rethinking Grand Army Plaza. Sure, it is probably pretty functional as-is for the motorists that drive through it but for pedestrians, cyclists, park users, visitors to Brooklyn's big cultural institutions, I really think the Plaza is genuinely shameful. I'm not sure if your specific ideas of turning the wide, one-way speedways into two-way streets is necessarily the right way to go. But I do think that this is exactly the kind of creative re-thinking that the Plaza needs and that a lot of people would be interested in participating in. There is so much land in Grand Army Plaza -- so much space -- both road space and semi-dead, unused park space (I assume all that stuff in the middle that you can't walk to safely is considered part of the Park), that it should really be possible to do some new designs for the Plaza. 

When we were negotiating with DOT for improvements in that Flatbush traffic island I got the sense that DOT was very satisfied, even proud of the way they had set up the complex signal timings around the Plaza. They told us that it would be completely, utterly, impossible to change any of the pedestrian signals there without messing up vehicular flow. So, this is a problem. 

I would love to do some sort of open source planning effort in which a bunch of smart, skilled, concerned people sit down and draw up some new designs. It seems that Brooklyn could be getting so much more out of this space that it currently does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments.</p>
<p>I love your idea of altogether rethinking Grand Army Plaza. Sure, it is probably pretty functional as-is for the motorists that drive through it but for pedestrians, cyclists, park users, visitors to Brooklyn's big cultural institutions, I really think the Plaza is genuinely shameful. I'm not sure if your specific ideas of turning the wide, one-way speedways into two-way streets is necessarily the right way to go. But I do think that this is exactly the kind of creative re-thinking that the Plaza needs and that a lot of people would be interested in participating in. There is so much land in Grand Army Plaza -- so much space -- both road space and semi-dead, unused park space (I assume all that stuff in the middle that you can't walk to safely is considered part of the Park), that it should really be possible to do some new designs for the Plaza. </p>
<p>When we were negotiating with DOT for improvements in that Flatbush traffic island I got the sense that DOT was very satisfied, even proud of the way they had set up the complex signal timings around the Plaza. They told us that it would be completely, utterly, impossible to change any of the pedestrian signals there without messing up vehicular flow. So, this is a problem. </p>
<p>I would love to do some sort of open source planning effort in which a bunch of smart, skilled, concerned people sit down and draw up some new designs. It seems that Brooklyn could be getting so much more out of this space that it currently does.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 02:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate the article and the creative ideas about bollards. SOme thoughts...

1) i don't know if this has been studied, but I'm wondering if bollards might also have the effect of slowing auto speeds (i.e., traffic calming) by narrowing the driver's field of vision and creating the illusion of a narrower roadway. Anyone who drives down a street lined with trees will notice that the street seems narrower and may notice that they are subconciously driving a bit slower.
  
2) I am very familiar with the crossing between the library and the entrance to the park at Grand Army Plaza and I aggree 100% that the main problem is not addressed by the improvement of the traffic island and installation of bollards. Though this may protect pedestrians within the island, the problem as was pointed out is that the signal phasing is designed to optimize traffic flow around the GAP and therefore a pedestrian can only cross half the way before being stranded. As a result, many people, including myself sometimes, try to cross one of the two halves during small gaps in the traffic instead of waiting for what seems like a long time for the pedestrian signal to change. This is especially dangerous during the Green Market on saturday, when trucks often park very close to the crossing and block the view of waiting pedestrians, who often try to dash across anyway.   

I know the DOT is making small scale changes to the Grand Army Plaza mess, under pressure from TA and local groups, but the whole area really needs to be reconceptualized and major changes to the traffic patterns probably need to be made. For instance, do both east and west sides of the large central part of GAP (where the arch and fountain are) need to be one way speedways with about 4 to 6 lanes of traffic? If both sides were made 2-way, the the east side could serve as the main arterial and the west side could be transformed into a landscaped, traffic-calmed local road with bake lanes and safe access from Flatbush for all the bikes and people trying to access to the park. Access from all directions  is completely inadequate and insufficient now. 


Speaking of bike/ped access to the park, the one-way bike lane on Plaza Street is a slight improvement, but I've noticed alot of bicyclists traveling the wrong way (against traffic) to avoid traveling the long way around to get to the park or library. This might be addressed by making the bike lane two way, eliminating the parking on the inside of Plaza St (A tough sell I'm sure). Of course that won't address the problem of actually crossing the southern part of Grand Army Plaza to get into the park.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the article and the creative ideas about bollards. SOme thoughts...</p>
<p>1) i don't know if this has been studied, but I'm wondering if bollards might also have the effect of slowing auto speeds (i.e., traffic calming) by narrowing the driver's field of vision and creating the illusion of a narrower roadway. Anyone who drives down a street lined with trees will notice that the street seems narrower and may notice that they are subconciously driving a bit slower.</p>
<p>2) I am very familiar with the crossing between the library and the entrance to the park at Grand Army Plaza and I aggree 100% that the main problem is not addressed by the improvement of the traffic island and installation of bollards. Though this may protect pedestrians within the island, the problem as was pointed out is that the signal phasing is designed to optimize traffic flow around the GAP and therefore a pedestrian can only cross half the way before being stranded. As a result, many people, including myself sometimes, try to cross one of the two halves during small gaps in the traffic instead of waiting for what seems like a long time for the pedestrian signal to change. This is especially dangerous during the Green Market on saturday, when trucks often park very close to the crossing and block the view of waiting pedestrians, who often try to dash across anyway.   </p>
<p>I know the DOT is making small scale changes to the Grand Army Plaza mess, under pressure from TA and local groups, but the whole area really needs to be reconceptualized and major changes to the traffic patterns probably need to be made. For instance, do both east and west sides of the large central part of GAP (where the arch and fountain are) need to be one way speedways with about 4 to 6 lanes of traffic? If both sides were made 2-way, the the east side could serve as the main arterial and the west side could be transformed into a landscaped, traffic-calmed local road with bake lanes and safe access from Flatbush for all the bikes and people trying to access to the park. Access from all directions  is completely inadequate and insufficient now. </p>
<p>Speaking of bike/ped access to the park, the one-way bike lane on Plaza Street is a slight improvement, but I've noticed alot of bicyclists traveling the wrong way (against traffic) to avoid traveling the long way around to get to the park or library. This might be addressed by making the bike lane two way, eliminating the parking on the inside of Plaza St (A tough sell I'm sure). Of course that won't address the problem of actually crossing the southern part of Grand Army Plaza to get into the park.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2005 14:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a fabulous article. Proud to know ya.

Bubbe Baroo</description>
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<p>Bubbe Baroo</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How come the TrafficStat data is kept secret? Why doesn't the public have access to it?</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2005 19:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post on bollards, a couple of comments:

1. Contrary to your assertion, it is  known why pedestrian deaths and injuries are way down in NYC and it's not trauma care. Trauma care is why deaths have decreased more than injuries, but cannot account for the big decrease in injuries. There are two big reasons for safer street conditions:
- Societal expectations are influencing the DOT and police. NYC is a much less chaotic and dangerous place than it was 20 years ago. Add to this the work of advocates, especially Transportation Alternatives, which has educated the press, politicians and community leaders across the city. A manifestation of the change in expectations is that the press takes far more note than it used to of  traffic deaths. 

-The creation of the NYPDs TrafficStat circa 1997, put in place a management and accountability system that holds police commanders, and to a lesser degree the DOT, responsible for traffic deaths and injuries. It has had a profound effect on how serious the police take traffic safety. It has also forced the DOT to take swifter action to fix basic safety problems like missing signs and broken traffic signals.

2. It looks like the bollards installed on the island in GAP are a breakaway type bolted to the pavement. I hope I'm wrong, but sure looks that way. The steel pipes filled with concrete or concrete obelisks you picture protecting the phone booths and fire hydrant are far superior. 

Keep up the good work.

JK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post on bollards, a couple of comments:</p>
<p>1. Contrary to your assertion, it is  known why pedestrian deaths and injuries are way down in NYC and it's not trauma care. Trauma care is why deaths have decreased more than injuries, but cannot account for the big decrease in injuries. There are two big reasons for safer street conditions:<br />
- Societal expectations are influencing the DOT and police. NYC is a much less chaotic and dangerous place than it was 20 years ago. Add to this the work of advocates, especially Transportation Alternatives, which has educated the press, politicians and community leaders across the city. A manifestation of the change in expectations is that the press takes far more note than it used to of  traffic deaths. </p>
<p>-The creation of the NYPDs TrafficStat circa 1997, put in place a management and accountability system that holds police commanders, and to a lesser degree the DOT, responsible for traffic deaths and injuries. It has had a profound effect on how serious the police take traffic safety. It has also forced the DOT to take swifter action to fix basic safety problems like missing signs and broken traffic signals.</p>
<p>2. It looks like the bollards installed on the island in GAP are a breakaway type bolted to the pavement. I hope I'm wrong, but sure looks that way. The steel pipes filled with concrete or concrete obelisks you picture protecting the phone booths and fire hydrant are far superior. </p>
<p>Keep up the good work.</p>
<p>JK</p>
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		<title>By: peakguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>peakguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 21:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this Aaron. I'll link to this from The NYC Oil Drum site. 

As my own ancedote - they had bollards that protected the pedestrian walkway in the middle of Cambridge, England. The cool part was that they could be electronically activated to lower themselves for essential traffic like police, ambulance, etc. At night trucks made deliveries inside the protected zone. It's a real model of how to create livable space in the downtown area...using bollards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this Aaron. I'll link to this from The NYC Oil Drum site. </p>
<p>As my own ancedote - they had bollards that protected the pedestrian walkway in the middle of Cambridge, England. The cool part was that they could be electronically activated to lower themselves for essential traffic like police, ambulance, etc. At night trucks made deliveries inside the protected zone. It's a real model of how to create livable space in the downtown area...using bollards.</p>
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		<title>By: Avidor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avidor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven't checked your blog for a while. This post is great. I'll be sending it to friends.

-Avidor</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven't checked your blog for a while. This post is great. I'll be sending it to friends.</p>
<p>-Avidor</p>
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		<title>By: .:. tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>.:. tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, he's not the only one.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, he's not the only one.  <img src='http://www.streetsblog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, AD. As I was hitting the "post" button I was thinking to myself, Starts &#38; Fits is going to enjoy this one... and maybe he's the only one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, AD. As I was hitting the "post" button I was thinking to myself, Starts &amp; Fits is going to enjoy this one... and maybe he's the only one!</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Donovan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Donovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron, great post, man!  Absolutely tremendous.  How can bollards be that expensive if they can protect pay phones and fire hydrants?  I bet motorists like the leeway they get by not having bollards at places like Baltic and Fifth.  They'd have to slow down too much if there was a real corner there!  They may see no pedestrians there eight times out of the 10 they speed through there, then forget about the other two.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, great post, man!  Absolutely tremendous.  How can bollards be that expensive if they can protect pay phones and fire hydrants?  I bet motorists like the leeway they get by not having bollards at places like Baltic and Fifth.  They'd have to slow down too much if there was a real corner there!  They may see no pedestrians there eight times out of the 10 they speed through there, then forget about the other two.</p>
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